WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.000 00:09:42.369 --> 00:09:44.676 >> good morning, welcome to the city council meeting nor 00:09:48.849 --> 00:09:50.849 saturday, March 14, 2015. 00:09:51.850 --> 00:09:53.850 Clerk, call the roll. 00:09:56.323 --> 00:09:58.323 [Roll-call taken] 00:09:58.452 --> 00:10:01.389 >> okay, welcome to everyone here today. And we are starting with the 00:10:03.928 --> 00:10:06.197 public discussion period. We have several speeblg 00:10:06.197 --> 00:10:08.197 aks and 00:10:10.632 --> 00:10:12.632 limiteded to three minutes. 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.240 Turn off or put on vibrate your 00:10:18.876 --> 00:10:20.876 cell phones and devices. 00:10:30.954 --> 00:10:32.954 [Names being read] 00:10:33.390 --> 00:10:35.390 >> there was no reason in the 00:10:37.157 --> 00:10:40.950 world for a young black kid to be on mount vernon avenue. 00:10:40.996 --> 00:10:43.799 He was puts himself in harm's way. It was crazy times. 00:10:46.164 --> 00:10:48.164 Think about this, athletes will 00:10:53.642 --> 00:10:55.642 grave tate to each other. 00:10:56.407 --> 00:10:58.808 I never saw a basketball game, a track meet. 00:11:00.479 --> 00:11:02.160 You never felt like you would be welcome. 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:04.980 To be on the safe side why take a chance? 00:11:07.830 --> 00:11:09.830 A quote from earl lloyd. 00:11:10.355 --> 00:11:12.355 Mr. Mayor and the members of the 00:11:12.722 --> 00:11:14.722 council, I rise in the support 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:20.600 of the running track at the 00:11:23.475 --> 00:11:25.567 george washington middle school. The first african-american to 00:11:29.606 --> 00:11:31.606 play in the nba and the first 00:11:32.811 --> 00:11:34.513 black nonplaying coach earl lloyd. 00:11:37.982 --> 00:11:39.982 He grow in alexandria from a far 00:11:42.283 --> 00:11:44.283 removed of this city. 00:11:49.195 --> 00:11:51.525 He add a childhood marginalized. As far as equipment and that 00:11:53.330 --> 00:11:55.330 kind of stuff, we had nothing. 00:11:56.466 --> 00:11:58.833 We didn't have a gym, we had a little band box auditorium. 00:12:01.772 --> 00:12:03.772 We didn't have a football field, 00:12:04.142 --> 00:12:06.142 baseball diamond and we couldn't 00:12:06.241 --> 00:12:08.241 have a track team. 00:12:11.514 --> 00:12:13.514 The wounds that alexandria 00:12:13.617 --> 00:12:15.617 inflicted is felt by the 00:12:15.883 --> 00:12:17.530 survivors, men of my father's age. 00:12:18.180 --> 00:12:20.520 Many of them still hold resentments for opportunities 00:12:22.521 --> 00:12:25.262 lost because that was the way it was. 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:27.759 When reflecting on the efforts 00:12:29.650 --> 00:12:31.650 to restore the running track, 00:12:32.334 --> 00:12:34.334 one person reacted with scornful 00:12:35.167 --> 00:12:37.167 bitterness. 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:39.572 Why need replace a track of such pain. 00:12:40.742 --> 00:12:42.742 The scars are deep and lasting. 00:12:43.841 --> 00:12:45.841 They don't see what I see. 00:12:46.982 --> 00:12:49.749 And they don't know what I know. It is that that running trackal 00:12:52.686 --> 00:12:54.686 george washington is one of the 00:12:59.958 --> 00:13:01.958 last vestiges of the segregation 00:13:02.494 --> 00:13:04.494 and discrimination. 00:13:05.967 --> 00:13:07.967 What was separate then should be 00:13:08.299 --> 00:13:10.299 equal now. 00:13:10.436 --> 00:13:12.739 What was separate then should be equal now. 00:13:14.706 --> 00:13:17.376 Alexandria has come a long way, perhaps a long way yet to go. 00:13:18.778 --> 00:13:21.676 Yet the children at the george washington middle school attend 00:13:23.917 --> 00:13:25.917 the classes together, all races, 00:13:26.418 --> 00:13:28.954 creeds and colors. For the most part they are 00:13:31.589 --> 00:13:32.857 underful of the institution's history. 00:13:34.590 --> 00:13:36.590 It is time, past time, to return 00:13:38.160 --> 00:13:40.663 the running track to the glory. >> you have 30 seconds. 00:13:41.301 --> 00:13:43.301 >> thank you. 00:13:44.770 --> 00:13:46.770 Not just for the children of 00:13:48.204 --> 00:13:50.910 today and tomorrow but the last surviving citizens whose children didn't have the 00:13:54.912 --> 00:13:56.177 opportunity to play at the facility. 00:13:57.500 --> 00:13:59.500 One thing remains true, if you 00:14:03.315 --> 00:14:05.315 believe it, they will run. 00:14:06.256 --> 00:14:08.256 >> thank you. 00:14:08.926 --> 00:14:10.926 [Names being read] 00:14:14.495 --> 00:14:17.660 Mr. Carr? >> I'm glad you have discussed 00:14:18.869 --> 00:14:20.966 the passes of Mr. Lloyd. It was certainly a big article 00:14:23.307 --> 00:14:25.307 in the local paper, and I didn't 00:14:25.907 --> 00:14:27.907 know Mr. Lloyd, but reading 00:14:28.109 --> 00:14:30.109 about his life and courage and 00:14:34.884 --> 00:14:37.284 all that he achieved I'm glad you have come forward and 00:14:38.250 --> 00:14:40.188 discussing the pain that we have to take into account and 00:14:42.553 --> 00:14:44.553 remember and as far as the 00:14:46.460 --> 00:14:48.460 running track, I would like to 00:14:50.898 --> 00:14:52.898 know about what the acps view 00:14:52.901 --> 00:14:54.901 what is in the offing and what 00:14:56.502 --> 00:14:58.200 are the plans are regard to the track. 00:15:00.507 --> 00:15:02.708 >> I think that the school board has, I have spoken them before 00:15:05.579 --> 00:15:07.911 them a number of times, and they are disposed of it. 00:15:09.350 --> 00:15:11.500 It is all a matter of planning and funding. 00:15:11.514 --> 00:15:13.656 But I look forward to the discussion between the council 00:15:14.385 --> 00:15:16.186 and the school board to see that happen. 00:15:17.124 --> 00:15:19.124 I would like to make a note in 00:15:20.260 --> 00:15:22.260 the statement is the just for 00:15:23.630 --> 00:15:25.664 the camera, is the book by earl lloyd, moon fixer, and even if 00:15:27.500 --> 00:15:29.500 you are not interested in the 00:15:31.405 --> 00:15:33.405 basketball part of it, the first 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:36.639 few chapters are about the early 00:15:37.710 --> 00:15:39.710 alexandria history. 00:15:50.887 --> 00:15:53.425 I want to con grat you late the boys boys track team. 00:15:57.526 --> 00:15:59.526 >> I am going to speak about the 00:15:59.594 --> 00:16:02.133 memorial memorial service. 00:16:04.700 --> 00:16:06.700 They named in new basketball 00:16:08.402 --> 00:16:09.804 court at tc williams in honor of Mr. Lloyd. 00:16:12.609 --> 00:16:15.475 He was an educators and sif rights leader. Thank you. 00:16:16.213 --> 00:16:19.490 >> okay. Burt? 00:16:21.216 --> 00:16:23.216 >> I am burt. 00:16:24.549 --> 00:16:25.851 I am speaking about the waterfront. 00:16:28.580 --> 00:16:30.580 There was an email to a select 00:16:32.595 --> 00:16:34.595 group asking the recipients that 00:16:35.897 --> 00:16:37.932 eya move dirt to and from the terminal site by barge attached 00:16:40.265 --> 00:16:42.265 to the statement is a copy of 00:16:49.105 --> 00:16:51.105 the email. 00:16:53.545 --> 00:16:56.217 Eya has chosen to side step process. They have emailed me in the 00:16:58.160 --> 00:17:00.160 past, it didn't have the 00:17:00.384 --> 00:17:02.384 courtesy to send the email to 00:17:02.984 --> 00:17:04.984 me, even though I am a member of 00:17:05.658 --> 00:17:07.658 the monitoring group. 00:17:12.990 --> 00:17:14.990 What is trouble President Bush 00:17:15.834 --> 00:17:17.834 eya's email is they failed to 00:17:17.972 --> 00:17:19.972 state the magnitude of the dirt 00:17:25.110 --> 00:17:27.911 moving to and from the site. 55,000 contaminated yards of soil from the site. 00:17:30.118 --> 00:17:32.118 And replace the soil and elevate 00:17:33.549 --> 00:17:35.549 the site by three feet. 00:17:36.689 --> 00:17:39.291 Eya has to resov 25,000 yards of the clean soil for the garage 00:17:39.558 --> 00:17:41.558 that it is going to build. 00:17:42.793 --> 00:17:44.793 The numbers add up to 155,000 00:17:46.197 --> 00:17:48.496 cubic yards of to move to and from the site. 00:17:50.601 --> 00:17:52.601 That means 15,000 round trip 00:17:53.371 --> 00:17:55.371 trips to the site. 00:17:56.903 --> 00:17:58.903 15,000 loaded trucks and 15,000 00:18:00.244 --> 00:18:02.477 empty trucks going over the streets of the old homes. 00:18:05.681 --> 00:18:08.381 Under the streets are water, sewer and gas lines. 00:18:10.718 --> 00:18:12.718 In the message, they asked the 00:18:13.870 --> 00:18:15.870 recipients to state that the 00:18:15.894 --> 00:18:17.894 terminal project hauls less 00:18:17.958 --> 00:18:19.458 material that the harris teeter project. 00:18:21.831 --> 00:18:23.831 That is flat out wrong. 00:18:23.963 --> 00:18:26.936 The dirt removed from the harris teeter didn't have to be trucked 00:18:28.502 --> 00:18:30.502 past the historic homes. 00:18:30.775 --> 00:18:32.775 They claim barging takes 33% 00:18:33.642 --> 00:18:35.176 longer than supporting for the number. 00:18:35.744 --> 00:18:37.744 Barge should be faster. 00:18:38.414 --> 00:18:39.715 It is going on more hours in the day. 00:18:42.349 --> 00:18:44.250 It is kwieer than the noisy trucks. 00:18:45.789 --> 00:18:47.789 Further loading dirt on the 00:18:49.418 --> 00:18:51.418 barges anchored from the pier 00:18:54.363 --> 00:18:56.363 wouldn't damage the pier. 00:18:56.797 --> 00:18:58.833 It is a public benefit without providing support for the 00:18:58.833 --> 00:19:00.833 number. 00:19:02.936 --> 00:19:05.499 The additional cost could be less and barging might be less 00:19:05.637 --> 00:19:07.637 than the trucking. 00:19:09.178 --> 00:19:11.178 The additional costs the eya 00:19:11.881 --> 00:19:13.881 would be modest. 00:19:14.513 --> 00:19:16.513 Now is not the time to be 00:19:19.384 --> 00:19:22.117 buffaloed by the scare tactics. If it is a close call, tilt to 00:19:24.192 --> 00:19:26.192 the residents, voters, if you 00:19:27.791 --> 00:19:29.791 will, not a developer. 00:19:33.866 --> 00:19:36.600 Thank you for the time. [Names being read]. 00:19:37.767 --> 00:19:40.332 >> I appreciate if the city manager would respond to that. 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:43.640 Can you respond? 00:19:44.938 --> 00:19:46.938 >> there is a significant amount 00:19:48.847 --> 00:19:50.847 of dirt that has to be hauled in 00:19:51.576 --> 00:19:53.576 in order to raise the site up to 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:57.160 the above a hundred year flood 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:01.880 plain level and that dirt has to 00:20:04.161 --> 00:20:06.560 be taken out and excavation for the parking garage. 00:20:06.632 --> 00:20:08.864 The numbers are less than presented to you. 00:20:15.173 --> 00:20:16.974 There is not 150,000 cubic yards of dirt. 00:20:21.773 --> 00:20:24.143 But 15,000 trucks -- would be the case if done by trucking. 00:20:26.949 --> 00:20:29.117 >> as the manager indicated the numbers we are provided are 00:20:31.522 --> 00:20:33.522 less, what we understand is that 00:20:33.821 --> 00:20:35.821 15,000 cubic yards of clean fill 00:20:37.557 --> 00:20:39.557 is brought in the initial phase 00:20:39.992 --> 00:20:41.992 and 55,000 yards excavated and 00:20:42.665 --> 00:20:44.696 brought out for a total of 70,000 cubic yards that need to 00:20:44.696 --> 00:20:47.131 be moved. >> we have worked with the 00:20:50.710 --> 00:20:52.710 numbers that were given to us, I 00:20:52.436 --> 00:20:54.436 understand from Mr. Lambert, we 00:20:55.410 --> 00:20:57.410 are seeing more details as the 00:20:57.212 --> 00:20:59.212 impact meeting on tuesday, but 00:21:01.809 --> 00:21:03.809 the key thing if less tonage the 00:21:04.984 --> 00:21:06.984 question of hauling by truck or 00:21:07.424 --> 00:21:09.651 by barge, no matter what the tons are, the size of the 00:21:11.485 --> 00:21:13.485 project, the residents of old 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:17.963 town want the dirt moved in and out by barge, not by truck. 00:21:20.165 --> 00:21:22.165 >> I asked the city manager of 00:21:22.967 --> 00:21:24.967 last night to coordinate a 00:21:28.569 --> 00:21:30.569 meeting with eya and staff and 00:21:31.543 --> 00:21:33.543 early next week and get them in 00:21:34.280 --> 00:21:36.178 and talk about the rift, the divide between those that 00:21:37.470 --> 00:21:39.470 support barging and those that 00:21:39.551 --> 00:21:41.551 don't want the barging and let's 00:21:42.884 --> 00:21:44.884 talk about all the -- as pointed 00:21:45.222 --> 00:21:47.222 out, this is a conversation, a 00:21:47.959 --> 00:21:49.959 discussion that is taking place 00:21:50.259 --> 00:21:52.931 on tuesday night at the implementation monitoring group 00:21:54.767 --> 00:21:56.767 meeting for the waterfront. 00:21:57.468 --> 00:21:59.869 But I honestly believe there's the opportunity here to work 00:21:59.869 --> 00:22:01.869 something out between the 00:22:02.538 --> 00:22:03.839 developer, the city and the residents. 00:22:06.207 --> 00:22:08.207 And I actually called terry, the 00:22:08.914 --> 00:22:10.914 partner of eya last night and he 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.480 was busy doing something, but he 00:22:14.490 --> 00:22:15.983 would return the foal call so we can this this conversation. 00:22:17.555 --> 00:22:19.555 >> you have a pier there, it can 00:22:19.588 --> 00:22:21.588 be used safely without damaging 00:22:21.824 --> 00:22:23.824 the pier for the barging option, 00:22:26.761 --> 00:22:28.761 and you know, even ten thousand 00:22:29.300 --> 00:22:31.300 trucks, those thousands of 00:22:33.364 --> 00:22:35.201 trucks rumbling over the streets will be damaging to all. 00:22:37.368 --> 00:22:39.368 >> thank you, we got that. 00:22:39.937 --> 00:22:41.975 >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. I am blad to hear about this 00:22:41.975 --> 00:22:43.975 meeting. 00:22:44.477 --> 00:22:46.477 Is the monitoring group present 00:22:46.812 --> 00:22:48.812 at the meeting? 00:22:49.414 --> 00:22:51.414 >> not at this moment. 00:22:51.951 --> 00:22:53.386 Not an a representative can't be there. 00:22:54.422 --> 00:22:56.422 It is the 11th hour yesterday. 00:22:58.961 --> 00:23:01.828 O the eya will be at the monitoring group on tuesday 00:23:04.310 --> 00:23:06.310 night and the public can attend 00:23:07.330 --> 00:23:08.600 there and staff will present to you. 00:23:10.402 --> 00:23:12.936 >> okay, when you were saying you are having a meeting with 00:23:17.475 --> 00:23:18.910 the staff, wouldn't the mon tow itor 00:23:22.181 --> 00:23:23.782 monitoring group be there as well? 00:23:25.460 --> 00:23:26.414 >> I am not trying to eliminate them. 00:23:29.850 --> 00:23:31.850 >> we feel it is a rerun episode 00:23:33.250 --> 00:23:35.861 of gilligan's island. We have been talking about the 00:23:36.593 --> 00:23:38.593 barging issue for months. 00:23:38.695 --> 00:23:40.695 Residents come forward, they are 00:23:42.833 --> 00:23:44.833 very concerned about impact. 00:23:45.271 --> 00:23:46.603 First carr hotel and we were too late. 00:23:48.739 --> 00:23:50.739 We were told that the city would 00:23:51.730 --> 00:23:53.730 work hard to robinson terminals 00:23:53.175 --> 00:23:55.175 and the projects going forward, 00:23:56.780 --> 00:23:59.282 if they go forward, whatever, that we would push for the 00:24:00.153 --> 00:24:03.180 barging and consider it and it would be part of the discussion. 00:24:04.555 --> 00:24:06.555 But we were too late with carr. 00:24:06.588 --> 00:24:09.522 Here we are robinson terminal south as expected and it is a 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.640 question coming forward and the fact that the pier is there and 00:24:16.360 --> 00:24:18.360 the residents have raised 00:24:19.300 --> 00:24:21.300 excellent points in terms of the 00:24:21.337 --> 00:24:23.599 impact, and I'm glad we have the monitoring group, but they have 00:24:27.373 --> 00:24:29.373 to have a place at the table so 00:24:32.414 --> 00:24:34.681 they can hear all the facts and help communicate with the 00:24:36.382 --> 00:24:38.382 residents and a to us, this 00:24:40.790 --> 00:24:42.790 thing, this email from eya, I 00:24:45.755 --> 00:24:47.556 have never seen that during my time here. 00:24:51.830 --> 00:24:53.830 >> we were surprised, a lobby y 00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:56.567 the community is after the staff's recommendations. 00:24:58.360 --> 00:25:00.360 Staff is working to get a handle 00:25:00.434 --> 00:25:02.836 all of the issues related to barging, including hiring 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:07.440 outside experts in order to make 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.515 sure that when somebody says it costs too much money, we know 00:25:10.678 --> 00:25:13.583 what the numbers are. The monitoring committee has 00:25:15.117 --> 00:25:17.117 been the forum was created in 00:25:18.489 --> 00:25:21.224 order to have the discussions and that debate. 00:25:22.296 --> 00:25:24.296 On tuesday night, staff will 00:25:25.697 --> 00:25:27.697 present its information, eya 00:25:28.330 --> 00:25:30.330 will present theirs and the 00:25:30.266 --> 00:25:32.602 monitoring group will have a discussion and debate of the 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:37.400 pros and cons of the issue of 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:39.409 barging versus trucking. >> okay. Thank you. 00:25:39.842 --> 00:25:41.842 Miss Pepper? 00:25:41.846 --> 00:25:44.811 >> the city manager is honing in on some of the things that I was 00:25:47.350 --> 00:25:49.350 about to ask, that is I think we 00:25:52.230 --> 00:25:54.230 need to -- first of all, this is 00:25:54.426 --> 00:25:57.393 unprecedented, I can't think of one time, maybe else can think 00:25:59.496 --> 00:26:01.496 of it, not one time we have had 00:26:02.996 --> 00:26:04.996 this time of lobbying before 00:26:05.935 --> 00:26:07.137 actually something to lobby about. 00:26:09.904 --> 00:26:11.904 Something solid that has come 00:26:15.441 --> 00:26:17.441 out, an official statement of 00:26:17.513 --> 00:26:19.513 what the staff is offering us. 00:26:20.214 --> 00:26:22.817 Having said that, I would like us to and heefs kind of getting 00:26:24.918 --> 00:26:26.918 to this, and that is the fact 00:26:28.288 --> 00:26:30.288 that I would like us to 00:26:32.930 --> 00:26:34.628 carefully go over whether or not this pier could mange the trucks 00:26:36.564 --> 00:26:38.564 and the loading, and also, is 00:26:40.320 --> 00:26:42.320 this an accurate account of how 00:26:42.202 --> 00:26:44.202 much it would cost. 00:26:45.540 --> 00:26:47.540 And I don't see why it has to be 00:26:49.412 --> 00:26:52.379 an either or that this kind of money, whatever it turns out to 00:26:53.110 --> 00:26:55.110 be, is something that takes away 00:26:56.879 --> 00:26:59.683 from the benefits that we were already hoping for. 00:27:01.550 --> 00:27:03.550 So for me, it is not an either 00:27:03.824 --> 00:27:05.824 or, it is something in addition 00:27:06.259 --> 00:27:08.989 and this going to be extraordinary development and I 00:27:10.729 --> 00:27:12.729 think that it is not unbecoming 00:27:13.934 --> 00:27:15.934 of us to be asking that this 00:27:17.670 --> 00:27:19.670 really be carefully, carefully 00:27:19.736 --> 00:27:21.736 examined as a real possibility. 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.209 Barges would truly protect the neighborhood that has gone 00:27:25.810 --> 00:27:27.810 through quite a bit. 00:27:29.130 --> 00:27:31.178 [Names being read] >> good morning, I have 00:27:32.312 --> 00:27:35.283 distributed to the council and Mr. Mayor pictures of the topic 00:27:36.890 --> 00:27:39.240 that I will talk about this morning. 00:27:42.590 --> 00:27:44.662 On saturday, January 24th, I spoke before the council about 00:27:44.860 --> 00:27:46.860 the field under construction. 00:27:49.731 --> 00:27:50.968 A quarter mile from the hoffman center. 00:27:52.803 --> 00:27:54.969 They are constructing a water treatment plant. 00:27:55.336 --> 00:27:57.336 The entire infrastructure of 00:27:58.609 --> 00:28:00.609 this project is fin fished to 00:28:01.306 --> 00:28:03.306 include the field lights and, 00:28:03.942 --> 00:28:05.942 bathrooms and shrubs and fences. 00:28:07.216 --> 00:28:09.216 There is ample street parking 00:28:10.120 --> 00:28:12.120 next to field. 00:28:12.352 --> 00:28:14.352 There is parking lots and 00:28:15.185 --> 00:28:17.926 parjing garages, and pto parjing garage opposite the field and 00:28:19.426 --> 00:28:21.264 the field is walking distance to the metro. 00:28:24.566 --> 00:28:26.566 The complex is accessible to the 00:28:28.703 --> 00:28:30.703 how -- highways. 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:34.640 It is complete fulfills the 00:28:37.306 --> 00:28:39.306 urban model of a sports complex. 00:28:40.714 --> 00:28:43.346 The cost to the city is zero. When the cost is williams field 00:28:44.946 --> 00:28:46.946 is $7 million, the cost to 00:28:46.981 --> 00:28:48.555 finish the field would be much less. 00:28:51.786 --> 00:28:53.786 I'm not an architect nor a 00:28:54.825 --> 00:28:56.825 builder but I believe the cost 00:28:59.232 --> 00:29:01.232 to finish the eisenhower field 00:29:01.701 --> 00:29:03.701 would be less than $6,000. 00:29:03.968 --> 00:29:05.968 You get state of the art complex 00:29:08.574 --> 00:29:11.410 and saving $6 million which could be spent on the schools 00:29:13.277 --> 00:29:15.613 and academic development of the students. It is a steal. 00:29:18.450 --> 00:29:20.450 It is an investment that pays 00:29:20.719 --> 00:29:22.719 dividends and why are we not 00:29:23.155 --> 00:29:25.155 moving forward on the issue. 00:29:25.490 --> 00:29:27.158 The issue was adding more seats to the complex. 00:29:27.891 --> 00:29:29.891 this is not the issue. 00:29:31.362 --> 00:29:33.362 Proper footings placed behind 00:29:33.967 --> 00:29:35.967 the stands similar to williams 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:39.235 allowed 800 to 1600 seats to the complex. 00:29:41.202 --> 00:29:43.202 The meeting with the planning 00:29:44.641 --> 00:29:46.641 and rec department said they 00:29:50.143 --> 00:29:51.413 needed wavers for the resource protection 00:29:52.614 --> 00:29:54.614 protection area. 00:29:55.449 --> 00:29:57.449 There is ability to waive the 00:29:57.619 --> 00:29:59.619 requirement and it is my opinion 00:29:59.956 --> 00:30:01.956 that since the project has a 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.559 bike path near the stream, this 00:30:05.464 --> 00:30:07.464 rpa issue is already addressed. 00:30:11.965 --> 00:30:13.334 The rec department was given the field. 00:30:14.367 --> 00:30:16.838 Not consider any other issues. However, it is explained that 00:30:18.301 --> 00:30:20.301 the additional of seats is a 00:30:20.337 --> 00:30:22.976 boom to the rec didn't and enabling them to hold 00:30:23.512 --> 00:30:25.512 tournaments and college 00:30:26.314 --> 00:30:28.978 recruitments and have the stadium rental for thousands of 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:31.720 dollars per day. 00:30:32.987 --> 00:30:35.880 I addressed this issue in January and you mayor told me 00:30:35.953 --> 00:30:38.222 that you and the council would be looking into the issue and 00:30:38.222 --> 00:30:40.859 address it. Nothing has happened and we are 00:30:41.794 --> 00:30:44.528 days, not weeks, from not being able to do this project. 00:30:47.199 --> 00:30:49.199 It is a win for the city, but a 00:30:50.300 --> 00:30:52.300 political win to whomever can 00:30:53.390 --> 00:30:54.906 deliver the city sports complex. >> thank you. 00:30:58.845 --> 00:31:00.345 Staff has been working on this particular project. 00:31:01.111 --> 00:31:03.111 You did come to us in January 00:31:04.115 --> 00:31:06.883 and I mentioned that we are looking at it and working on it 00:31:07.819 --> 00:31:09.819 and we are working for the 00:31:10.156 --> 00:31:12.818 staff, there is inner play with the property as well and the 00:31:13.423 --> 00:31:15.423 staff is coming to council with 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:19.940 the recommendation shortly and 00:31:21.965 --> 00:31:23.965 working with the acps. 00:31:24.236 --> 00:31:26.236 >> thank you. 00:31:27.674 --> 00:31:30.710 I was pleased to meet with members of my staff and parks 00:31:31.576 --> 00:31:34.413 and rec staff and together during that discussion, came up 00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:40.178 with a list of criteria for evaluating this proposal, which 00:31:40.681 --> 00:31:42.681 we are currently worked on, 00:31:43.322 --> 00:31:45.322 coming up with answers to how 00:31:47.188 --> 00:31:49.188 this proposal either meets or 00:31:53.162 --> 00:31:55.596 doesn't meet the criteria in terms of cost and parking. 00:31:56.730 --> 00:31:59.166 We are putting that together. We are communicating with the 00:31:59.433 --> 00:32:01.669 schools. We are working with them on it. 00:32:03.370 --> 00:32:05.370 And presenting the information 00:32:05.474 --> 00:32:06.704 to Mr. Goff and you and the public. 00:32:07.971 --> 00:32:09.971 >> thank you. 00:32:11.175 --> 00:32:13.444 >> I have two issues this, this is a solution to a bigger 00:32:15.183 --> 00:32:17.214 problem that we are going to have to build another high 00:32:18.618 --> 00:32:21.289 school at some point in time and this is giving the avenue to 00:32:23.557 --> 00:32:25.891 decide a, where to put the new high school and b, when it is 00:32:26.225 --> 00:32:28.225 going to be constructed. 00:32:28.891 --> 00:32:30.891 From the point of view, to set 00:32:31.230 --> 00:32:33.230 up the field without seating it 00:32:34.435 --> 00:32:36.710 is not bringing the full value to bear. 00:32:36.635 --> 00:32:38.635 When you invest, you certain lip 00:32:40.169 --> 00:32:42.169 want a return on the investment. 00:32:46.612 --> 00:32:48.612 From my figures and talking to 00:32:48.981 --> 00:32:50.482 people, it is a win-win for the investment. 00:32:51.184 --> 00:32:53.184 >> I concur as well. 00:32:56.721 --> 00:32:58.721 [Names being read]. 00:32:59.592 --> 00:33:01.592 >> Mr. Mayor, when -- 00:33:02.727 --> 00:33:04.620 >> staff will be getting to us soon. 00:33:05.865 --> 00:33:08.297 They are going to present to council. 00:33:09.602 --> 00:33:11.602 >> good morning, Mr. Mayor and 00:33:12.306 --> 00:33:14.167 councilmembers, I'm katie kennedy. 00:33:16.439 --> 00:33:18.370 I'm a member of the waterfront monitoring group. 00:33:21.776 --> 00:33:24.770 at our last meeting, there was a discussion about how it is good 00:33:28.518 --> 00:33:30.518 to bring on the robinson south 00:33:31.290 --> 00:33:33.290 person now. 00:33:34.258 --> 00:33:36.258 But we were told by lambert we 00:33:36.692 --> 00:33:39.161 should remember we were not advising council and council had 00:33:40.864 --> 00:33:42.864 set the number of people who 00:33:45.101 --> 00:33:47.101 could be members and robinson 00:33:48.903 --> 00:33:50.903 terminal -- never mind the 00:33:52.172 --> 00:33:54.172 projects are approved or close 00:33:55.911 --> 00:33:57.911 to approval. 00:34:00.715 --> 00:34:02.715 So put us in our place. 00:34:03.953 --> 00:34:05.953 We are went away. 00:34:07.755 --> 00:34:10.523 Then last night circulated, second hand, we were not on the 00:34:13.391 --> 00:34:15.391 email list, robinson terminal 00:34:16.650 --> 00:34:18.650 south sent out xeration about 00:34:18.970 --> 00:34:21.680 how mistreated they were and how everybody should write to 00:34:23.903 --> 00:34:25.903 council right away to cure these 00:34:27.603 --> 00:34:30.341 awful mistreatment and unreasonable demands. 00:34:32.944 --> 00:34:34.944 That was the tone of it. 00:34:38.617 --> 00:34:41.840 They said it is extraordinary to barge. 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:43.840 There is nothing extraordinary 00:34:43.422 --> 00:34:45.422 to barge on a river. 00:34:50.925 --> 00:34:52.925 There was a barge on the river 00:34:55.836 --> 00:34:57.370 with a crane working on the land. 00:35:02.741 --> 00:35:04.741 There is unusual about it all. 00:35:08.110 --> 00:35:10.110 I hard by use figures, but the 00:35:11.644 --> 00:35:14.518 figure that robinson terminal representative gave to old town 00:35:16.353 --> 00:35:19.121 civic when he was asked is that the amount of dirt that has to 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:23.559 be hauled from robinson terminal 00:35:24.961 --> 00:35:26.961 is more than ten times more than 00:35:30.734 --> 00:35:32.734 what is hauled from carr. 00:35:34.168 --> 00:35:36.168 And they say barging would take 00:35:36.738 --> 00:35:39.543 longer. A knowledgeable architect said 00:35:40.545 --> 00:35:42.545 with trucks it is going to take 00:35:42.947 --> 00:35:44.947 two and a half years. 00:35:45.615 --> 00:35:47.615 They say the strength of the 00:35:48.184 --> 00:35:51.120 pier won't handle it. Well, put it on the streets. 00:35:55.958 --> 00:35:57.993 The strength of the pier is an irrelevant matter. 00:35:58.692 --> 00:36:00.692 it is a river bank. 00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:03.798 You can get a barge and a crane and the barge doesn't have to be 00:36:05.898 --> 00:36:07.898 tied to the pier, this is done 00:36:09.936 --> 00:36:11.936 in places with no piers. 00:36:12.541 --> 00:36:14.541 They can anchor it. 00:36:14.638 --> 00:36:16.574 I will finish my thought, if that is okay. 00:36:18.390 --> 00:36:20.390 Any way, it is entirely feasible 00:36:22.448 --> 00:36:24.448 to barge and the strength of the 00:36:26.787 --> 00:36:28.787 pier is irrelevant, thank you. 00:36:34.695 --> 00:36:36.695 >> [Names being read] 00:36:38.931 --> 00:36:40.931 >> Mr. Mayor, the members of the 00:36:41.535 --> 00:36:43.535 council, I'm a President Of the 00:36:43.705 --> 00:36:45.705 old town civic organization. 00:36:46.806 --> 00:36:48.806 Last month appeared before you 00:36:50.610 --> 00:36:52.610 and asking that barges be used 00:36:53.430 --> 00:36:55.178 as the preferred hauler to take away from the construction sites 00:36:58.784 --> 00:37:01.520 on the waterfront and barges be used to bring the materials and 00:37:01.787 --> 00:37:03.860 the like to the construction sites. 00:37:05.488 --> 00:37:07.488 As I understand it, our city 00:37:09.929 --> 00:37:11.929 codes specifies that haul routes 00:37:12.963 --> 00:37:14.563 are specified in the final plans. 00:37:17.469 --> 00:37:19.469 It is remaining the option that 00:37:23.236 --> 00:37:25.236 bashlgs can be used on the side. 00:37:27.379 --> 00:37:29.379 The document as the governing in 00:37:30.384 --> 00:37:32.384 this case specify the haul 00:37:33.452 --> 00:37:35.452 routes for the carr development. 00:37:35.619 --> 00:37:37.619 No action should be taken on the 00:37:39.388 --> 00:37:41.388 plan for the carr development 00:37:41.625 --> 00:37:43.625 until analysis is done and 00:37:44.229 --> 00:37:46.431 performed and open for public inspection and debate. 00:37:49.565 --> 00:37:51.565 My emails are burning up at eya 00:37:51.699 --> 00:37:53.699 put out a special notice, many 00:37:53.936 --> 00:37:55.936 calling it a sneak attack, and 00:37:56.303 --> 00:37:58.303 led with the city officials are 00:38:00.471 --> 00:38:02.471 considering an expensive and 00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:05.510 unprecedented mandate. 00:38:05.881 --> 00:38:07.881 It goes on to the fact that the 00:38:07.948 --> 00:38:09.948 pier at robinson terminal south 00:38:10.683 --> 00:38:12.683 is not capable of birthing or 00:38:12.818 --> 00:38:14.856 supporting the weight of the trucks to haul the terms between 00:38:16.456 --> 00:38:19.240 the barge and the site, the barges would be 40% more 00:38:19.992 --> 00:38:21.992 expensive than the trucks and 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:24.466 using the trucks take 3 #% more time. 00:38:26.300 --> 00:38:28.300 They stated if barging is 00:38:29.537 --> 00:38:31.537 required the city would lose 00:38:31.937 --> 00:38:33.937 1.5 million for public benefits 00:38:35.411 --> 00:38:37.411 such as the pier or building a 00:38:38.509 --> 00:38:41.110 portion of the promenade. This was only sent to a few 00:38:41.581 --> 00:38:43.581 people, not all of the 00:38:43.683 --> 00:38:46.170 individuals in the neighborhood, like me. 00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:48.619 I never received a copy. 00:38:49.521 --> 00:38:51.521 The comment that the pier is not 00:38:51.822 --> 00:38:54.158 capable of birthing a barge or supporting the weight of the 00:38:54.158 --> 00:38:56.158 trucks to haul the materials 00:38:59.620 --> 00:39:00.763 from the barge and the site is inaccurate. 00:39:05.231 --> 00:39:07.865 This task can be established as explained previously that don't 00:39:10.410 --> 00:39:12.410 have to be tied to the pier. 00:39:14.810 --> 00:39:16.613 The city has using the barges in dredging. 00:39:22.887 --> 00:39:25.286 The last act by eya is one of the tactics. 00:39:25.987 --> 00:39:27.987 We received a survey, which 00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:30.230 hundreds filled out, however did 00:39:31.610 --> 00:39:32.892 you see the results of the survey? I didn't. 00:39:35.665 --> 00:39:37.632 In one of the sessions, the representative kept feeding the 00:39:38.731 --> 00:39:40.731 staff director notes during what 00:39:41.235 --> 00:39:43.235 is supposed to be open hearing. 00:39:43.267 --> 00:39:45.267 Some legal difficulties with 00:39:45.902 --> 00:39:47.902 this, Mr. City attorney? 00:39:49.705 --> 00:39:51.705 Then during the final bar 00:39:53.120 --> 00:39:55.120 hearing, the eya stacked the 00:39:56.481 --> 00:39:58.884 chamber that wore orange stickers, none of them living in 00:40:00.851 --> 00:40:03.785 old town. When you choose to do business 00:40:05.461 --> 00:40:07.461 in old district, you have to not 00:40:10.225 --> 00:40:12.225 destroy the historic fabric. 00:40:13.134 --> 00:40:15.770 They have chosen to build here. The price cannot and will not 00:40:17.435 --> 00:40:19.435 cover the case to replace the 00:40:20.170 --> 00:40:22.170 historic streets and structures. 00:40:22.271 --> 00:40:24.271 Currently we are among the most 00:40:24.305 --> 00:40:26.106 livable cities in the united states. 00:40:27.277 --> 00:40:29.277 Let's keep it that way. 00:40:31.145 --> 00:40:33.145 I respectfully request that you 00:40:35.182 --> 00:40:37.182 mandate that barges be used in 00:40:37.384 --> 00:40:39.384 all river front sites. 00:40:41.290 --> 00:40:43.290 [Names being read]. 00:40:43.692 --> 00:40:45.692 >> I think a lot of the 00:40:45.694 --> 00:40:47.694 important points are covered so 00:40:47.796 --> 00:40:50.697 I will say that I have to say I'm in favor of barging, which I 00:40:51.833 --> 00:40:53.833 think you probably already know 00:40:54.469 --> 00:40:56.469 for a number of reasons because 00:40:57.469 --> 00:40:59.469 of the fabric of the old and 00:40:59.807 --> 00:41:02.476 historic dwrikt is fragile. It has held up not so well 00:41:02.476 --> 00:41:04.476 lately. 00:41:04.812 --> 00:41:06.812 I walk a lot and I have seen 00:41:08.780 --> 00:41:10.780 water main breaks and the 00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.119 streets dug up all over town and 00:41:18.193 --> 00:41:20.193 that is happening frequently. 00:41:20.761 --> 00:41:22.761 I know people had to replace 00:41:24.197 --> 00:41:26.798 their water supply hook ups and that is their financial 00:41:28.340 --> 00:41:30.870 responsibility and it is pricey. I recommend that the only thing 00:41:33.906 --> 00:41:36.739 I heard yet to aggress as a gap, is that at your tuesday meeting, 00:41:39.450 --> 00:41:41.450 which I'm pleased to see is 00:41:41.748 --> 00:41:43.882 being initiated and set up, this is the alexandria way. 00:41:47.520 --> 00:41:49.520 We cover the bases, we do a good 00:41:49.890 --> 00:41:51.589 job and get all of the important parties involved. 00:41:53.158 --> 00:41:55.158 For the tuesday meeting you 00:41:56.327 --> 00:41:58.327 invite the water company, and 00:41:58.496 --> 00:42:00.797 the electric company. They are responsible for any 00:42:02.334 --> 00:42:05.234 damage that occurs in the street. The city doesn't have to pay. 00:42:06.504 --> 00:42:08.504 But the homeowners will have to 00:42:08.972 --> 00:42:11.474 pay and the water and electric companies will have to pay. 00:42:13.244 --> 00:42:15.244 So I would say that if this is 00:42:16.312 --> 00:42:18.312 going to be a good inclusive 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:21.490 meeting and wholly rounded out with financial responsibilities 00:42:22.151 --> 00:42:24.786 and implications that you invite those two parties. 00:42:26.756 --> 00:42:29.225 they are very, very important. Finally, I'm glad to see that 00:42:29.626 --> 00:42:31.626 you are seriously consider this 00:42:33.998 --> 00:42:35.998 and I chatted briefly with carl 00:42:36.496 --> 00:42:38.668 before this started and it seems it is going to have a good 00:42:38.668 --> 00:42:41.533 outcome. Thank you very much. 00:42:41.571 --> 00:42:43.571 >> thank you. 00:42:45.741 --> 00:42:47.741 [Names being read] 00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:50.900 >> Mr. Mayor, council, thank you 00:42:50.176 --> 00:42:52.813 for the opportunity to speak on this issue of the use of barging 00:42:55.182 --> 00:42:56.784 for construction along the river. 00:43:00.220 --> 00:43:02.220 I will try not to reiterate the 00:43:03.124 --> 00:43:06.560 points made already. I approach this issue from 00:43:07.661 --> 00:43:09.661 several perspectives, homeowner, 00:43:09.894 --> 00:43:12.565 resident in old town, and engineer with a technical 00:43:14.634 --> 00:43:16.200 background and a passionate preservationist. 00:43:17.974 --> 00:43:19.974 The residents that we have on 00:43:21.441 --> 00:43:23.441 wall street is 200 years old and 00:43:25.711 --> 00:43:27.711 it is a block away from robinson 00:43:28.248 --> 00:43:30.684 terminal south and been in the family for over 50 years. 00:43:32.152 --> 00:43:34.152 So we have a vested interest in 00:43:34.851 --> 00:43:37.520 what happens along the streets of old town alexandria and we 00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:40.690 are concerned about potential 00:43:40.890 --> 00:43:42.890 damage to our dwelling and to 00:43:43.531 --> 00:43:46.435 the utilities that serve, which is as far as I know it is 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.336 unkwleer who is responsible for paying for damage particularly 00:43:52.505 --> 00:43:55.441 to the residences along the streets. 00:43:56.174 --> 00:43:58.945 Second, the technical per speck sif, I have a ph.D. In 00:43:58.945 --> 00:44:01.812 engineering and registered engineer and I grew up in a 00:44:02.886 --> 00:44:04.886 family that has building in the 00:44:05.885 --> 00:44:07.852 background, my father was a builder. 00:44:08.357 --> 00:44:10.357 I'm not unfamiliar with the 00:44:11.889 --> 00:44:13.889 issues here and I can speak 00:44:14.393 --> 00:44:16.393 intelligently to the potential 00:44:16.662 --> 00:44:19.166 for the residences and the streets and utilities in old 00:44:19.166 --> 00:44:21.166 town. 00:44:22.133 --> 00:44:24.133 Third, as a preservationist, I 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.600 really don't want this organization eya to in the 00:44:29.945 --> 00:44:31.945 process of improving, I think 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:35.745 their project will improve old town. 00:44:38.187 --> 00:44:40.447 For years we looked at the ugly warehouse. We sit in the living room and 00:44:42.620 --> 00:44:44.620 look out and see the ugly roof. 00:44:45.958 --> 00:44:47.958 I would rather see a nice modern 00:44:47.992 --> 00:44:49.992 or at least not modern, but a 00:44:52.565 --> 00:44:54.565 new building, consistent with 00:44:55.100 --> 00:44:57.100 the architecture of old town. 00:44:58.268 --> 00:45:00.469 I served on the gasby society for years. 00:45:01.136 --> 00:45:02.472 I'm a past President Of that organization. 00:45:05.475 --> 00:45:07.475 I served on the george 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.478 washington birthday celebration, a past vice Chairman Of that 00:45:10.481 --> 00:45:12.783 committee, which you appointed me too. 00:45:13.315 --> 00:45:15.315 I appreciate. 00:45:15.848 --> 00:45:17.848 I am serving on the alexandria 00:45:18.720 --> 00:45:20.720 resources commission, which I am 00:45:22.627 --> 00:45:23.957 grateful you have appointed me to. 00:45:25.391 --> 00:45:27.391 And I propose as our next 00:45:28.497 --> 00:45:31.331 meeting, tuesday night, to offer a motion to that group 00:45:32.898 --> 00:45:35.537 suggesting that it is very important that barge, use of 00:45:36.205 --> 00:45:38.570 barges for construction along the river and in particular at 00:45:41.477 --> 00:45:43.477 the robinson terminal south be 00:45:43.607 --> 00:45:46.212 very, very seriously considered, if not mandated. 00:45:47.283 --> 00:45:49.283 Thank you for your time. 00:45:50.552 --> 00:45:52.552 I appreciate your support. 00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:54.285 >> thank you. [Names being read] 00:45:56.223 --> 00:45:58.223 >> Mr. Mayor, thank you. 00:45:58.261 --> 00:46:00.261 Thank you Mr. Smith and everyone 00:46:00.462 --> 00:46:02.462 speaking about this issue. 00:46:06.164 --> 00:46:08.164 We certainly have had numerous 00:46:08.736 --> 00:46:10.736 emails regarding this issue, 00:46:10.938 --> 00:46:12.938 from the engineering standpoint, 00:46:14.500 --> 00:46:16.500 i am glad you brought that up. 00:46:17.442 --> 00:46:20.347 We clearly need to in my opinion protect the historic district 00:46:21.444 --> 00:46:23.444 and protect the neighborhoods 00:46:24.217 --> 00:46:26.217 and I would assume that eya 00:46:27.618 --> 00:46:29.955 would want to be a good corporate neighbor and I look 00:46:30.356 --> 00:46:32.622 forward to the conversation with staff on tuesday night and 00:46:34.157 --> 00:46:37.270 hearing more about that. As far if it is possible to 00:46:39.597 --> 00:46:41.597 barge and it seems to be, then 00:46:43.203 --> 00:46:45.203 it seems to me that is in the 00:46:48.677 --> 00:46:50.677 best interest of the district. 00:46:52.311 --> 00:46:54.311 >> eya should want to be a good 00:46:55.477 --> 00:46:58.382 neighbor, I consider this last action high handed and 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:01.718 objectionable. [Names being read]. 00:47:03.527 --> 00:47:04.821 >> good morning, I live in alexandria. 00:47:08.192 --> 00:47:10.192 I'm here to talk about rob 00:47:11.359 --> 00:47:13.359 aboutson terminal south. 00:47:13.462 --> 00:47:15.462 I want to talk about the barging 00:47:15.863 --> 00:47:18.267 issue and not debate the merits and the physics. 00:47:19.536 --> 00:47:21.536 I want to talk about the attempt 00:47:25.942 --> 00:47:27.942 of the manipulate. 00:47:30.114 --> 00:47:32.114 I received the eya email. 00:47:32.815 --> 00:47:34.815 On wednesday I got one forwarded 00:47:35.915 --> 00:47:37.915 to me by a third party, and 00:47:40.921 --> 00:47:42.422 requesting the endorsement of a predaft. 00:47:43.657 --> 00:47:45.657 The threat was, as we have 00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:47.860 heard, that it takes a million 00:47:48.297 --> 00:47:50.297 and a half dollars away from the 00:47:50.463 --> 00:47:52.463 public amenities on the site. 00:47:54.269 --> 00:47:56.269 Eya has a number of email list, 00:47:56.799 --> 00:47:58.338 one for friends and other people. 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.239 I must be on the other list. 00:48:06.211 --> 00:48:08.982 Their strategy is obviously to pit the citizens against each 00:48:09.652 --> 00:48:10.983 other and using the city as a pawn. 00:48:12.351 --> 00:48:14.351 The working group at the review 00:48:15.587 --> 00:48:17.587 on robinson terminal south, eya 00:48:18.610 --> 00:48:20.610 brought in ringers to speak in 00:48:20.324 --> 00:48:22.324 favor of the project. 00:48:23.227 --> 00:48:25.228 I reckon that is not illegal, but immoral. 00:48:25.831 --> 00:48:27.831 They have handed out the pins 00:48:27.866 --> 00:48:29.866 here at the city council 00:48:29.968 --> 00:48:32.268 chambers and I find that distasteful. 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.836 But perhaps even the worse the bar was regarding for's and 00:48:39.145 --> 00:48:41.145 againsts and announced the 00:48:41.446 --> 00:48:43.446 tally, indicating to me that 00:48:44.750 --> 00:48:47.312 they have used to that guide the decision to approve the process. 00:48:48.617 --> 00:48:50.617 It should be revisited. 00:48:50.620 --> 00:48:52.620 In summary, what we have here 00:48:55.155 --> 00:48:57.155 are two counts of developer 00:48:58.961 --> 00:49:00.961 public relations morfhing into 00:49:01.499 --> 00:49:03.499 public manipulation. 00:49:04.330 --> 00:49:06.471 You need to know this is not the way that business should be 00:49:09.137 --> 00:49:11.137 conducted in city of alexandria. 00:49:11.139 --> 00:49:13.139 Thank you for the time. 00:49:15.678 --> 00:49:17.678 >> let me say again, when we and 00:49:18.813 --> 00:49:20.813 I know myself personally, got 00:49:21.417 --> 00:49:23.417 the email forwarded to me, my 00:49:28.994 --> 00:49:30.994 initial was reaction was that in 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.920 advance of the staff 00:49:33.940 --> 00:49:35.940 recommendation, I let it go for 00:49:37.367 --> 00:49:39.367 a while, then it became annoying 00:49:40.967 --> 00:49:43.631 as more are coming in, I requested of staff to call eya 00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:46.940 and have a meeting with them, 00:49:49.976 --> 00:49:51.976 simply this is an attempt to 00:49:53.947 --> 00:49:55.947 riff, create a riff or divide. 00:49:56.915 --> 00:49:58.915 In a process like this, the fact 00:50:01.690 --> 00:50:04.554 is that we don't need this. This is not how this should be 00:50:04.554 --> 00:50:06.554 played out. 00:50:06.859 --> 00:50:09.563 I called one of the senior partners of the firm. 00:50:11.794 --> 00:50:13.964 He was business at dinner last night. 00:50:14.770 --> 00:50:17.603 He's promised to call me back. I was not pleased with that and 00:50:19.305 --> 00:50:21.441 we are going to get them in to sit down and talk. 00:50:21.441 --> 00:50:23.909 I believe we have the opportunity to work something out. 00:50:26.780 --> 00:50:28.780 >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. 00:50:29.449 --> 00:50:31.816 >> [Names being read] I am bob woods. 00:50:31.816 --> 00:50:33.816 citizen. 00:50:35.986 --> 00:50:37.986 I want to thank the council and 00:50:38.554 --> 00:50:40.588 thank you mayor for what you said. 00:50:46.331 --> 00:50:48.331 I want to reenforce to the city 00:50:48.564 --> 00:50:50.935 the public relations play to turj the objection of barging 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:55.400 into a loss of public benefit. 00:50:56.430 --> 00:50:58.430 They attempt to rally citizens 00:50:59.507 --> 00:51:01.507 to bombard the city council to 00:51:01.746 --> 00:51:03.746 deploring the requirement to use 00:51:04.310 --> 00:51:06.482 the river is over reach and breach of trust with the 00:51:06.482 --> 00:51:09.147 citizens. This council and the citizens 00:51:11.150 --> 00:51:13.150 are being manipulated. 00:51:13.424 --> 00:51:15.388 Eya is pitting the citizens against each other and putting 00:51:16.240 --> 00:51:18.240 the council in the middle. 00:51:20.463 --> 00:51:22.597 I ask you not to let this succeed 00:51:22.597 --> 00:51:25.270 succeed. What I find particularly 00:51:28.705 --> 00:51:29.970 galloning is eya selectives mailings. 00:51:31.539 --> 00:51:33.539 Less we forget the first contact 00:51:34.810 --> 00:51:36.810 we got was a benign survey. 00:51:37.981 --> 00:51:39.981 This revealed both the email 00:51:40.614 --> 00:51:42.614 addresses and sentiments 00:51:43.848 --> 00:51:45.848 regarding the development. 00:51:46.619 --> 00:51:48.619 You can track the mailing lists 00:51:50.789 --> 00:51:52.627 and invites to the hearings and communications and distribution 00:51:57.765 --> 00:51:59.564 as was mentioned of pins for proponents. 00:52:02.865 --> 00:52:04.865 Some would call this skilled but 00:52:05.205 --> 00:52:06.504 I call it manipulating the public. 00:52:07.270 --> 00:52:09.270 It is unfortunately appears to 00:52:11.545 --> 00:52:13.545 be a developing pattern of eya. 00:52:17.510 --> 00:52:19.510 The remarkable thing is 00:52:19.453 --> 00:52:21.753 revolving around a cost ben if I believe analysis of the 00:52:21.753 --> 00:52:23.753 alternatives. 00:52:24.488 --> 00:52:26.455 Instead of pressuring the politicians, they could have put 00:52:29.620 --> 00:52:31.960 the cost out there, and open to inspection and public understanding. 00:52:33.100 --> 00:52:35.100 We got a happy talk progress 00:52:36.768 --> 00:52:38.768 talk from eya invoking a 00:52:39.603 --> 00:52:41.603 yearning for the warehouses and 00:52:42.207 --> 00:52:44.673 merchants ofiester year and it is insulting to see them present 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.614 the cost of using barges to be a loss of public benefit. 00:52:50.313 --> 00:52:52.616 It is actually a cost of doing business in this tight space 00:52:54.500 --> 00:52:56.180 among the historical properties. Get over it. 00:52:57.421 --> 00:52:59.421 They choose to build here. 00:53:00.221 --> 00:53:02.221 One lawsuit for damages with 00:53:03.129 --> 00:53:05.129 lawyer expenses on one home, 00:53:05.223 --> 00:53:07.223 perhaps Mr. Smith's, would 00:53:08.600 --> 00:53:09.263 exseated their $1.5 million cost. 00:53:13.801 --> 00:53:15.801 In fact, this 1.5 million adds 00:53:16.370 --> 00:53:18.370 40% to the transportation bill. 00:53:18.877 --> 00:53:20.877 This implies it is 3.75 00:53:24.510 --> 00:53:27.345 approximately more trucks and 2.5 for barges. 00:53:29.450 --> 00:53:31.620 Intending to sell 90 units, I just don't see the main. 00:53:35.123 --> 00:53:37.924 In terms of the public good, I certainly see the gain. 00:53:38.924 --> 00:53:41.856 One more statement, reject this ploy, reject this dishonest 00:53:44.263 --> 00:53:46.263 marketing and tactics and tell 00:53:47.802 --> 00:53:50.435 eya to communicate honestly, obtain their slick spokesman and 00:53:54.606 --> 00:53:56.707 change the attitudes and change the respect. 00:53:57.643 --> 00:53:59.643 They get so much from the city 00:53:59.778 --> 00:54:01.778 to act uncaring and too smart. 00:54:02.683 --> 00:54:04.416 They are called out and they know it. 00:54:10.618 --> 00:54:12.618 >> last speaker. 00:54:14.427 --> 00:54:15.794 >> good morning, Mr. Mayor, councilmembers. 00:54:17.297 --> 00:54:19.297 I am ryan. 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.840 I'm known as captain ryan. 00:54:30.844 --> 00:54:33.773 I dredged the torpedo factory in 1988 and '94. 00:54:35.111 --> 00:54:37.111 I'm not an engineer. 00:54:37.981 --> 00:54:39.981 I have just done the work. 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:42.719 It is true as colonel said with 00:54:43.755 --> 00:54:45.755 spud barges you don't need to 00:54:47.493 --> 00:54:50.292 use the old pier. However, you will need to do 00:54:52.294 --> 00:54:54.294 many other things that will cost 00:54:54.532 --> 00:54:56.532 the environment as well as the 00:54:57.670 --> 00:54:59.670 city's pocketbook dearly. 00:54:59.934 --> 00:55:01.934 I am the member representing 00:55:02.606 --> 00:55:04.572 business interests on the environmental policy commission. 00:55:07.110 --> 00:55:09.110 I am the environmental policy 00:55:11.575 --> 00:55:13.549 representative to the waterfront commission. 00:55:14.517 --> 00:55:16.517 In order to move this material 00:55:16.752 --> 00:55:18.752 by barge, and the staff can do 00:55:19.123 --> 00:55:21.423 the numbers for you, I would say that the estimates that I have 00:55:26.261 --> 00:55:28.330 heard it is going 40% more is right on the money. 00:55:30.930 --> 00:55:32.930 Look at what it costs to move 00:55:35.700 --> 00:55:37.700 the material from the dredging 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.239 project, compared from a dump 00:55:39.341 --> 00:55:41.341 truck company you pull out of 00:55:43.141 --> 00:55:45.278 the air, to move it dry and with dump trucks. 00:55:46.278 --> 00:55:48.278 To move it by barge, you have to 00:55:50.214 --> 00:55:52.214 dig it up, that is one engine, 00:55:52.650 --> 00:55:54.154 another engine moves it to the barge. 00:55:55.989 --> 00:55:57.989 The deseal engines have to carry 00:55:58.223 --> 00:56:00.223 it up the james river. 00:56:00.358 --> 00:56:02.358 Talking about a three day trip. 00:56:03.762 --> 00:56:06.265 Once it gets there, another engine unloads it from the 00:56:06.698 --> 00:56:08.698 barge, another one taking it 00:56:09.129 --> 00:56:11.129 from that point to where it is 00:56:11.331 --> 00:56:13.473 disposed where a bulldozer, another engine, has to plow it 00:56:13.473 --> 00:56:15.473 into a hole. 00:56:17.942 --> 00:56:19.942 With the dump trucks, one engine 00:56:20.810 --> 00:56:22.810 picks it up and the dump truck 00:56:22.947 --> 00:56:24.947 goes to a much closer location, 00:56:27.120 --> 00:56:29.120 any number of locations and 00:56:32.625 --> 00:56:35.192 dumps it in front of a third engine. Three engines, versus seven 00:56:35.327 --> 00:56:37.327 engines to move this material. 00:56:38.663 --> 00:56:40.663 That is why the cost is so high 00:56:43.967 --> 00:56:46.669 to move it by water and environmentally the cost the two 00:56:48.473 --> 00:56:49.704 and a half to one the hydro carbons. 00:56:53.342 --> 00:56:55.342 In terms of the possible damage 00:56:56.610 --> 00:56:58.610 to old town, which I love 00:56:58.883 --> 00:57:00.883 dearly, I'm a history nut. 00:57:02.850 --> 00:57:04.850 i think those fare 00:57:04.322 --> 00:57:05.586 ears are a little elevated. 00:57:08.323 --> 00:57:10.323 The engineer that was up here, 00:57:11.226 --> 00:57:13.597 it is my understanding because I operated this for years on 00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:17.300 private projects going next to 00:57:17.902 --> 00:57:20.802 someone's house, that the vibration goes down to a ralt of 00:57:20.869 --> 00:57:22.869 one to one. 00:57:24.404 --> 00:57:26.404 If the trucks are in the street, 00:57:27.276 --> 00:57:29.476 the affects of the vibration dissipate before reaching the 00:57:29.643 --> 00:57:31.643 foundation of the house. 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:34.546 So in conclusion, as the business representative of a the 00:57:35.347 --> 00:57:37.347 environmental policy commission 00:57:37.717 --> 00:57:40.189 and as many people I can think of on the other side of the 00:57:43.157 --> 00:57:45.289 tracks in terms of the city's coffers, I think that the 00:57:46.993 --> 00:57:48.993 project is putting undue burden 00:57:50.865 --> 00:57:52.865 on the developer and the city's 00:57:52.998 --> 00:57:54.998 pocketbooks and as the 00:57:55.136 --> 00:57:57.670 environmental policy commission representative, I would say it 00:58:02.408 --> 00:58:03.739 is environmentally unconsciousbl. 00:58:05.110 --> 00:58:07.110 >> one Mr. Speaker. 00:58:09.347 --> 00:58:11.347 Last speaker. 00:58:11.384 --> 00:58:13.950 >> good morning, Mr. Mayor and the councilmembers. 00:58:18.220 --> 00:58:20.220 I am an on the other email list, 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.126 I guess, of eya, I get one out of ten. 00:58:25.464 --> 00:58:27.464 I do want to thank you for what 00:58:28.361 --> 00:58:30.361 appears to be clearly that you 00:58:31.200 --> 00:58:32.840 are seriously thinking about this option. 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:37.400 I want to thank kathryn papp to 00:58:37.420 --> 00:58:39.420 raise this all of us, that 00:58:40.740 --> 00:58:41.712 occurred only in August of last year. 00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:44.549 She raised it at the water front exhibition meeting. 00:58:46.715 --> 00:58:48.715 That was the first time that the 00:58:49.420 --> 00:58:51.420 discussion became to bubble up. 00:58:51.923 --> 00:58:53.880 It has developed a life of its own. 00:58:57.580 --> 00:58:59.580 It is my understanding that eya 00:59:00.729 --> 00:59:02.729 has or about to release to the 00:59:02.832 --> 00:59:05.803 city a report on this. I don't know if that is released or not. 00:59:07.371 --> 00:59:09.371 It is my understanding that city 00:59:10.300 --> 00:59:12.300 itself is hiring a consultant to 00:59:12.500 --> 00:59:14.500 look at that report. 00:59:14.100 --> 00:59:16.100 My point being that all though 00:59:16.947 --> 00:59:18.947 I'm delighted and I plan to 00:59:19.513 --> 00:59:22.800 attend the monitoring group, it suggests, however, that all of 00:59:22.718 --> 00:59:24.718 the information needed to make 00:59:25.618 --> 00:59:27.618 an intelligent decision May not 00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.122 be available by tuesday. In the meanwhile, we are all 00:59:34.930 --> 00:59:36.930 going to get educated on the 00:59:37.297 --> 00:59:38.762 square tonage and the cubic yards. 00:59:40.535 --> 00:59:42.535 The $55,000 figure came from eya 00:59:42.669 --> 00:59:44.380 at a presentation to old town civic. 00:59:44.803 --> 00:59:47.305 That was not a number that we made up. Thank you. 00:59:48.640 --> 00:59:50.678 Thank you again for listening. >> thank you. 00:59:50.942 --> 00:59:53.644 That concludes the public discussion period and thank you 00:59:54.140 --> 00:59:56.140 for coming and participating and 00:59:56.278 --> 00:59:58.618 this body and staff as well will be responsive to all of the 00:59:59.152 --> 01:00:01.152 concerns that are raised. 01:00:03.690 --> 01:00:06.557 Now to consent calendars items 3 and 4. 01:00:09.262 --> 01:00:11.994 >> can we take them one at a time? I have a question on 3. 01:00:11.994 --> 01:00:13.994 3 14-3813 special use permit 01:00:15.990 --> 01:00:17.732 #2014-0124 5324 taney avenue-child care home 01:00:17.732 --> 01:00:19.732 public hearing and consideration 01:00:19.805 --> 01:00:21.805 of a request to operate a child 01:00:26.544 --> 01:00:28.678 care home; zoned r-8/residential single-family. Applicant: alicia orlando. 01:00:28.678 --> 01:00:30.678 Planning commission action: 01:00:31.482 --> 01:00:34.419 recommend approval 6-0. >> no. 3, I have a suggestion 01:00:35.587 --> 01:00:37.587 recording condition 7, the 01:00:38.787 --> 01:00:40.787 commission discussed this 01:00:40.826 --> 01:00:42.826 condition as well. 01:00:44.693 --> 01:00:46.693 My reading of this suggests that 01:00:46.794 --> 01:00:48.794 we are basically requiring them 01:00:51.366 --> 01:00:52.666 to ensure no car is parked there 8-5. 01:00:54.637 --> 01:00:56.804 It is not making it clear those cars are related to the 01:00:56.804 --> 01:00:58.804 operation. 01:01:00.474 --> 01:01:02.474 My suggestion is put a period 01:01:10.530 --> 01:01:11.819 after residents. -- residence. 01:01:14.421 --> 01:01:17.155 Leave the rest of the condition out. >> we'll get the staff's 01:01:18.928 --> 01:01:20.659 reaction to that and why it is left in. 01:01:21.295 --> 01:01:23.531 >> alex for the staff. Staff is okay with that. 01:01:29.690 --> 01:01:31.690 >> the reason it is there, it 01:01:31.938 --> 01:01:33.938 just elaborates on the parking 01:01:34.308 --> 01:01:35.743 restrictions in the neighborhood. 01:01:36.511 --> 01:01:37.811 Rather than adding a new restriction. 01:01:39.446 --> 01:01:41.446 >> that is why the planning 01:01:42.345 --> 01:01:44.513 commission kept it in? >> yes. 01:01:44.513 --> 01:01:46.513 >> I'm not clear. 01:01:46.985 --> 01:01:48.985 >> this is requiring the 01:01:49.150 --> 01:01:51.150 applicant is depending on how 01:01:51.489 --> 01:01:53.489 you read it, requiring the 01:01:53.825 --> 01:01:55.825 applicant not allow the vehicles 01:02:01.366 --> 01:02:03.366 to the operation to park on tany 01:02:04.203 --> 01:02:06.537 or peel from 8-5. You are essentially imposing on 01:02:08.773 --> 01:02:10.773 the applicant to enforce 01:02:11.913 --> 01:02:13.913 nonrelated vehicle parking on 01:02:15.180 --> 01:02:17.480 his, on the street. That is the challenge. 01:02:18.618 --> 01:02:20.618 That being said, even if there 01:02:20.948 --> 01:02:23.510 was a reason to want to do that, I think the goal of this 01:02:24.588 --> 01:02:27.188 condition is preventing them from doing droppoff any where 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.360 but the driveway. 01:02:33.430 --> 01:02:36.301 >> carl, isn't that restriction focussed more on the night and 01:02:36.967 --> 01:02:38.967 evening hours? 01:02:39.836 --> 01:02:41.836 >> in this case, the restriction 01:02:44.306 --> 01:02:46.306 is because of braks. 01:02:48.448 --> 01:02:50.448 It is a daytime restriction, not 01:02:51.150 --> 01:02:53.150 a night time restriction. 01:02:53.415 --> 01:02:55.415 >> okay, I'm thinking about by 01:02:56.548 --> 01:02:58.548 the middle school, sorry. 01:02:59.351 --> 01:03:01.756 >> I move planning commission recommendation as stated. 01:03:01.788 --> 01:03:03.657 >> second. >> discussion? 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:08.993 Hearing none, all in favor? 4 14-3814 special use permit 01:03:09.531 --> 01:03:11.531 #2014-0127 01:03:14.703 --> 01:03:16.703 3303 carolina place 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.400 public hearing and consideration of a request to construct a new single-family dwelling on a 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:22.400 developed substandard lot; zoned 01:03:24.109 --> 01:03:26.547 r-8/residential single-family. Applicant: brad coburn and john ladd. Planning commission action: 01:03:28.617 --> 01:03:29.815 recommend approval as amended 6-0. 01:03:30.949 --> 01:03:33.421 This is consent item. >> I recommend that we approve 01:03:33.622 --> 01:03:35.724 the planning commission recommendation. >> second. 01:03:36.627 --> 01:03:37.923 >> motion and second. Discussion? 01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:41.526 Hearing none, all in favor? Opposed? 01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:46.280 Ayes have it: that ends the 01:03:47.499 --> 01:03:49.703 consent calendar. >> number five. >> 5 14-3809 special use permit 01:03:49.703 --> 01:03:52.467 #2015-0001 5447 fillmore avenue. Public hearing and consideration 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:56.800 of a request to construct a new 01:03:56.106 --> 01:03:58.142 single-family dwelling on a vacant, substandard lot with 01:03:58.745 --> 01:04:00.741 modifications; zoned r-20/residential single-family. 01:04:00.777 --> 01:04:02.812 Planning commission action: recommend approval as amended 01:04:04.417 --> 01:04:06.417 6-0. 01:04:07.952 --> 01:04:09.952 >> no smeek 01:04:12.522 --> 01:04:13.723 peakers on this item. Sorry. 01:04:15.527 --> 01:04:17.527 We have one speaker. 01:04:20.232 --> 01:04:22.199 So staff brief presentation. >> good morning, urban planner 01:04:24.637 --> 01:04:26.637 with the department of planning 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:30.641 and zoning. 5 14-3809 special use permit 01:04:31.843 --> 01:04:33.843 #2015-0001 01:04:35.411 --> 01:04:37.411 stz 'loised along the western 01:04:39.484 --> 01:04:41.484 city limits and seeking 01:04:41.949 --> 01:04:43.553 modification to the front yard setback. 01:04:45.540 --> 01:04:47.219 I would like to go over the provisions. 01:04:50.927 --> 01:04:52.128 As mentioned, west side of the city. 01:04:54.729 --> 01:04:56.729 The city annexed this in 1952. 01:04:56.997 --> 01:04:59.901 After the city incorporated this land area, zoning were assigned 01:05:05.205 --> 01:05:07.205 to the existing parcels and 01:05:08.470 --> 01:05:10.470 zoned r-20. 01:05:10.612 --> 01:05:12.612 This lot is deemed substandard 01:05:14.317 --> 01:05:15.850 in lot area and frontage and width. 01:05:17.620 --> 01:05:19.620 As you can see on the screen, it 01:05:19.688 --> 01:05:22.519 is not unusual for this portion where many of the lots are 01:05:23.257 --> 01:05:25.257 substandard for the r-20 zone. 01:05:27.580 --> 01:05:29.580 There are 22 other lots along 01:05:29.197 --> 01:05:31.496 the zone that don't meet the minimum standards. 01:05:32.980 --> 01:05:34.798 They are shown in green. The difference between the lots 01:05:35.834 --> 01:05:38.669 and already developed with a single family home. 01:05:40.608 --> 01:05:42.608 It is worth pointing out that 01:05:44.210 --> 01:05:46.210 one other property is shown 01:05:46.448 --> 01:05:48.577 across from is subject property with an r size. 01:05:50.648 --> 01:05:52.284 It was permitted to rezone in 1983. 01:05:53.787 --> 01:05:56.121 This is something that was done before in this neighborhood and 01:05:58.221 --> 01:06:00.854 on the same block. The property owner approached 01:06:00.854 --> 01:06:02.854 staff about whether or not that 01:06:03.656 --> 01:06:06.364 the site is eligible for the development from the zoning ordinance. 01:06:07.867 --> 01:06:09.365 that is outlined in the staff report. 01:06:10.938 --> 01:06:13.733 If the lot is a record of 1951 and meeting the provickses of 01:06:15.674 --> 01:06:17.674 the section, that a vacant lot 01:06:19.243 --> 01:06:21.243 can be developed with a single 01:06:21.974 --> 01:06:24.679 family dwelling. Chef shown that the lot was 01:06:28.683 --> 01:06:30.683 created 1946. 01:06:31.888 --> 01:06:33.888 Since the owner proven that the 01:06:34.924 --> 01:06:36.924 lot was created then, the r-20 01:06:38.598 --> 01:06:40.598 zone was assigned. 01:06:41.292 --> 01:06:43.292 The owner of the property did 01:06:44.365 --> 01:06:45.732 not knowingly create a substandard lot. 01:06:46.834 --> 01:06:48.834 Therefore the zoning ordinance 01:06:49.337 --> 01:06:51.338 provides relief for the homeowner to provide development 01:06:53.410 --> 01:06:55.410 to occur, if the lot can meet 01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:57.277 the criteria of the special use permit. 01:06:58.311 --> 01:06:59.847 This leads to the sup before you today. 01:07:03.617 --> 01:07:05.617 The applicant is a contractor 01:07:07.158 --> 01:07:08.990 purchaser and the architect for the lot. 01:07:10.291 --> 01:07:12.694 Requesting the modification to the front yard. 01:07:14.763 --> 01:07:17.696 They are requesting 7.9 feet to allow the front porch and 01:07:20.796 --> 01:07:22.333 building wall to encroach on the front yard. 01:07:25.403 --> 01:07:27.840 The red line is depicting the required setback. 01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:31.173 The green line is showing the proposed front yard for the new 01:07:31.173 --> 01:07:33.173 home. 01:07:34.790 --> 01:07:36.790 This front porch would be the 01:07:37.253 --> 01:07:38.850 front door entry for the proposed house. 01:07:41.689 --> 01:07:44.325 Staff received questions about the footprint and you can see a 01:07:45.455 --> 01:07:47.455 shot of the current conditions 01:07:49.396 --> 01:07:51.396 on fillmore and the next side it 01:07:51.431 --> 01:07:52.631 is the proposed footing of the home. 01:07:54.797 --> 01:07:56.797 This is giving the idea of the 01:07:57.333 --> 01:07:59.404 new footprint compared to neighboring properties. 01:08:03.600 --> 01:08:05.760 This other on the south was conveyed to the city. 01:08:06.206 --> 01:08:08.206 The proposed home complys with 01:08:10.780 --> 01:08:12.780 the single family homing with 01:08:13.116 --> 01:08:15.116 the exception of the front yard 01:08:15.789 --> 01:08:17.789 setback modification. 01:08:20.256 --> 01:08:23.600 The proposed home will not impact the lighting. 01:08:23.728 --> 01:08:25.728 And has proposed design to use 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:30.528 the natural light to illuminate and heat the home. 01:08:33.139 --> 01:08:35.766 The design is a proposed design modern design, similar to the 01:08:36.839 --> 01:08:38.839 home across the street. 01:08:41.578 --> 01:08:43.578 The home's design uses passive 01:08:43.649 --> 01:08:45.649 design principles. 01:08:46.416 --> 01:08:48.416 The home's simple design is 01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:53.180 intended to use 90% less energy. 01:08:54.255 --> 01:08:56.255 Everything from wall thickness 01:08:56.887 --> 01:08:58.887 to roof forms to the placement 01:08:59.692 --> 01:09:02.500 of the windows so the home can use the natural light for 01:09:03.561 --> 01:09:05.797 heating and cooling. The applicant proposed a number 01:09:10.403 --> 01:09:12.403 of features, recycled materials 01:09:13.706 --> 01:09:15.706 and energy fixtures. 01:09:17.447 --> 01:09:19.447 If the approve for the sup, the 01:09:19.480 --> 01:09:21.617 applicant will apply for the passive house application and 01:09:23.382 --> 01:09:25.685 the home would be the first of its kind in the city. 01:09:26.619 --> 01:09:29.860 After a site visit, the staff found that the design of the 01:09:30.455 --> 01:09:33.159 home is compatible with the greater neighborhood and not 01:09:34.321 --> 01:09:36.760 possessing a design character. Up on the screen you are seeing 01:09:37.865 --> 01:09:39.865 the photos of the homes in the 01:09:42.670 --> 01:09:44.536 area and design of the homes do vary greatly. 01:09:44.737 --> 01:09:46.737 Additionally, we are seeing many 01:09:47.539 --> 01:09:49.539 of the redeveloped homes in the 01:09:50.476 --> 01:09:52.476 area north and south 01:09:54.182 --> 01:09:56.182 redeveloping into large single 01:09:57.185 --> 01:09:59.185 family homes. 01:09:59.851 --> 01:10:01.851 As attached in the staff report, 01:10:02.485 --> 01:10:04.485 the staff received one leter in 01:10:05.591 --> 01:10:07.657 support and five letters of opposition, and the opposition 01:10:09.924 --> 01:10:11.725 was building on a substandard lot. 01:10:12.497 --> 01:10:15.466 one objection is concerned with the views blocked from the side 01:10:16.402 --> 01:10:18.402 of the home and the shading 01:10:19.138 --> 01:10:21.770 throughout the day and applicant provided two new diagrams to 01:10:23.908 --> 01:10:25.908 depict the view and the shading. 01:10:26.438 --> 01:10:28.438 While the view to north roster 01:10:29.280 --> 01:10:31.280 street, the home is maintaining 01:10:32.582 --> 01:10:35.454 the view corridor. The shading would be reduced 01:10:36.421 --> 01:10:38.421 after 9:30 in the morning. 01:10:38.683 --> 01:10:40.488 The letter of support from the neighbor recommended an 01:10:42.723 --> 01:10:45.492 amendment to allow the greater front yard along north roster 01:10:46.694 --> 01:10:48.694 street and move the home away 01:10:48.962 --> 01:10:50.962 from the parcel. 01:10:51.235 --> 01:10:53.934 The planning commission discussed this, but decided that 01:10:54.797 --> 01:10:56.797 the home was appropriate in the 01:10:57.337 --> 01:10:59.337 current location and 12 foot 01:10:59.572 --> 01:11:01.574 sood yard is sufficient for the neighboring property. 01:11:05.150 --> 01:11:07.150 The staff recommends approval as 01:11:08.150 --> 01:11:09.984 amended by the planning commission. >> thank you. 01:11:12.487 --> 01:11:14.487 The speaker is the applicant. 01:11:14.491 --> 01:11:16.720 Do you want to say anything or not? >> Mr. Mayor? 01:11:17.225 --> 01:11:19.225 >> hold on. 01:11:22.829 --> 01:11:24.829 >> good morning, I am eric and 01:11:26.330 --> 01:11:27.398 we have been living here since 2012. 01:11:28.990 --> 01:11:30.990 I'm an architect. 01:11:30.538 --> 01:11:32.738 We found a vacant lot and we wanted to take a chance and I 01:11:33.872 --> 01:11:36.742 want to talk about the design. The reason why it is the way it 01:11:38.478 --> 01:11:40.478 is because of the setbacks, we 01:11:41.811 --> 01:11:44.449 don't want to ask for too many modifications and we placed the 01:11:44.985 --> 01:11:47.151 window and the light in the house, the bedrooms are facing 01:11:48.452 --> 01:11:50.988 the east and getting the light in the east and the natural 01:11:52.459 --> 01:11:54.459 light throughout the day, the 01:11:56.493 --> 01:11:58.493 windows in the west are narrow 01:11:59.532 --> 01:12:01.532 and tall. 01:12:04.702 --> 01:12:06.702 and also, it is rectangular. 01:12:08.705 --> 01:12:10.705 To make it a passive house, it 01:12:10.709 --> 01:12:12.709 has to be airtight. 01:12:12.809 --> 01:12:15.442 Most houses have four or five square feet of holes throughout 01:12:16.812 --> 01:12:18.812 the house, the doors and the 01:12:19.716 --> 01:12:22.584 windows, at the corners. A passive house has this much in 01:12:22.954 --> 01:12:24.954 the entire house in order to 01:12:25.353 --> 01:12:27.353 pass for the certification. 01:12:27.927 --> 01:12:29.927 We are definitely going for the 01:12:30.259 --> 01:12:31.492 certification to use 90% less energy. 01:12:33.194 --> 01:12:35.194 That is a smart way to design. 01:12:35.567 --> 01:12:37.567 I think it should set a standard 01:12:41.801 --> 01:12:43.105 for other buildings in alexandria. 01:12:44.435 --> 01:12:46.435 Everyone should be doing it. 01:12:50.273 --> 01:12:51.475 We want to do a prefabricated home. 01:12:54.417 --> 01:12:56.417 It is using regional materials 01:12:57.287 --> 01:12:58.486 and not taking that long to build. 01:13:00.523 --> 01:13:03.322 And finally, we just would like to live here. 01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:08.960 We have enjoyed it for two years 01:13:08.495 --> 01:13:10.429 and I we want to build a home. >> thank you very much. 01:13:11.499 --> 01:13:13.732 Mr. Wilson? >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. 01:13:14.472 --> 01:13:16.534 I move to close the public hearing. 01:13:16.702 --> 01:13:19.470 >> motion and second. Discussion? 01:13:20.176 --> 01:13:22.340 All in favor? Opposed? Ayes have it. 01:13:22.576 --> 01:13:24.576 Mr. Wilson. 01:13:27.780 --> 01:13:29.780 >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. 01:13:32.220 --> 01:13:34.220 Thank you. 01:13:35.655 --> 01:13:37.655 I do have some questions, I want 01:13:37.752 --> 01:13:39.752 to differentiate in my mind, we 01:13:41.294 --> 01:13:43.294 have two substandard lots on the 01:13:43.662 --> 01:13:45.662 docket today and we are apply 01:13:46.260 --> 01:13:47.767 different tests and help me walk through this. 01:13:51.137 --> 01:13:53.137 On the carolina place one we had 01:13:55.690 --> 01:13:57.690 substandard lot that was built, 01:13:58.377 --> 01:14:00.377 they are asking for additional 01:14:00.947 --> 01:14:03.216 square feet, which required the sup, because they were not just 01:14:06.218 --> 01:14:08.218 replacing the same footprint. 01:14:09.510 --> 01:14:11.510 And our test was different. 01:14:12.910 --> 01:14:14.223 So our solely on the compatibility of the 01:14:15.494 --> 01:14:17.494 neighborhood. 01:14:19.163 --> 01:14:21.163 On this one, it's a, it was 01:14:21.732 --> 01:14:23.732 related to kind, well the test 01:14:24.802 --> 01:14:26.802 was different -- in place in 01:14:27.703 --> 01:14:29.840 annexation and not built, help me understand the differences 01:14:31.775 --> 01:14:33.776 and how we apply this. >> yes. 01:14:35.448 --> 01:14:38.145 A developed substandard lot, if they have a home already and 01:14:38.879 --> 01:14:40.879 decide to replace or add more 01:14:42.419 --> 01:14:44.787 than 10% of the gross square footage or increasing the height 01:14:45.820 --> 01:14:48.755 they have to have a get special use permit and light and bulk 01:14:50.859 --> 01:14:53.593 and design is come patible compatible. 01:14:55.270 --> 01:14:57.627 In a vacant substandard lot, they put the regulation in 01:15:01.336 --> 01:15:03.103 place, this was a lot created by fair 01:15:04.137 --> 01:15:06.137 fairfax county and the lot 01:15:07.400 --> 01:15:09.400 regulation has been in place 01:15:09.942 --> 01:15:11.245 longer than the substandard provision. 01:15:12.779 --> 01:15:14.114 The city gave relief to the owners. 01:15:16.851 --> 01:15:18.530 We know we put the r-20 on there. 01:15:20.623 --> 01:15:23.890 We are allowing you to build the home if you can meet the 01:15:23.826 --> 01:15:25.826 requirement of the sup. 01:15:25.860 --> 01:15:28.663 They had to prove to us it was actually created before the city 01:15:32.168 --> 01:15:34.168 took over and annexed the land. 01:15:34.835 --> 01:15:36.835 Because we had proof they didn't 01:15:37.503 --> 01:15:38.937 knowingly create a substandard lot. 01:15:40.803 --> 01:15:41.971 They placed the zoning after the lot. 01:15:43.776 --> 01:15:45.776 >> so in this case, I understand 01:15:46.120 --> 01:15:48.944 we talk about how the previous determination has been it was 01:15:51.314 --> 01:15:53.314 not buildable because it was we 01:15:54.919 --> 01:15:56.919 didn't have the proof of that, 01:15:58.658 --> 01:16:01.570 so I know one of the numbers expressed the concern of being 01:16:03.230 --> 01:16:05.760 told that, are we in the situation now where at least as 01:16:08.498 --> 01:16:11.133 it relates to the areas of annexation that the landowner 01:16:12.869 --> 01:16:14.869 has to research this and find 01:16:17.303 --> 01:16:19.704 it, do we not have records from that indicate either way? 01:16:22.512 --> 01:16:24.577 >> we have a list of vacant substandard lots. 01:16:25.714 --> 01:16:27.480 This lot as been here for many years. 01:16:28.485 --> 01:16:29.685 The owner owned it for many years. 01:16:32.355 --> 01:16:34.355 They decided to leave it vacant. 01:16:35.757 --> 01:16:38.625 They have had family situations to off load the land. 01:16:41.395 --> 01:16:44.364 They have come to the city, is it developbl. 01:16:44.966 --> 01:16:46.966 They want back to the deed 01:16:47.634 --> 01:16:49.634 office in fairfax and found the 01:16:49.770 --> 01:16:52.609 creation of the deed in 1946. Brought it back to us. 01:16:54.443 --> 01:16:56.443 Then gave us the proof. 01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:01.381 The city doesn't activity go out and seek this. 01:17:04.253 --> 01:17:06.253 It is vacant and substandard 01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:09.319 until we receive the proof. 01:17:09.322 --> 01:17:11.621 >> the fact that it is vacant is the key here? >> yes. 01:17:11.621 --> 01:17:13.621 Right. 01:17:14.795 --> 01:17:16.795 >> there is a point there is 01:17:17.331 --> 01:17:19.331 just a few number of these lots. 01:17:22.802 --> 01:17:24.990 That is the key in this discussion. 01:17:36.348 --> 01:17:38.349 >> I can never -- I can -- I don't recall a case where we 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:43.840 have referenced fairfax county 01:17:45.355 --> 01:17:47.494 land use essentially prior to annexation. 01:17:51.828 --> 01:17:53.828 Do we automatically incorporate 01:17:56.650 --> 01:17:58.650 the rules prior? 01:17:58.802 --> 01:18:00.802 And basically what they did can 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:03.937 we grab all of that for things in if future. 01:18:04.275 --> 01:18:06.643 >> it is not much the rules, but the records. 01:18:08.178 --> 01:18:10.414 the transaction records from fairfax county. 01:18:17.618 --> 01:18:20.386 And tech neck cli yes, we could. >> I appreciate the concern 01:18:21.457 --> 01:18:23.457 from the neighbors and there was 01:18:25.693 --> 01:18:27.693 no collar 01:18:28.363 --> 01:18:29.630 larity on the status of the property. 01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.990 If there is a way to bring clarity to that and doing the 01:18:33.303 --> 01:18:35.471 research on our own, I would like to do that. 01:18:37.730 --> 01:18:39.730 >> one thing we May do even shy 01:18:39.372 --> 01:18:41.372 of doing the research, informing 01:18:42.213 --> 01:18:43.843 the civic associations and homeowner associations et cetera 01:18:45.480 --> 01:18:47.480 in the areas that have been 01:18:47.886 --> 01:18:49.886 annexed with a summary of this 01:18:49.983 --> 01:18:51.983 and they know they can't assume 01:18:54.488 --> 01:18:56.488 that a vacant parcel that is 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:03.760 substandard is unbuildable. 01:19:04.567 --> 01:19:07.169 >> a substandard vacant lot, you assume you can't b build on it. 01:19:08.469 --> 01:19:10.568 That is kind of misleading. >> Miss Pepper? 01:19:13.570 --> 01:19:15.570 >> first of all, let me say that 01:19:15.642 --> 01:19:17.642 I visited the lot, I don't 01:19:18.747 --> 01:19:20.747 believe there's a tree there 01:19:24.448 --> 01:19:27.250 that will have to come down>> preannex 01:19:28.620 --> 01:19:30.620 preannexation or post? 01:19:34.827 --> 01:19:36.827 >> it was annexed in 1951, but 01:19:41.901 --> 01:19:43.901 more progress matly in '53. 01:19:46.905 --> 01:19:48.939 So these guys are so hard to get along with. 01:19:50.240 --> 01:19:52.240 Any way, I visited the lot, it 01:19:53.310 --> 01:19:55.310 is flat as the eye sees it, not 01:19:55.747 --> 01:19:57.747 by measuring so many feet and so 01:19:59.460 --> 01:20:01.751 forth, it looks like a good size. I don't know if it is exactly 01:20:04.221 --> 01:20:07.240 the same size at the lot that it adjoins. There is another lot that is 01:20:08.158 --> 01:20:10.158 shaped the same way and looks 01:20:10.828 --> 01:20:12.828 just the same size, so you don't 01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:16.600 at least as the eye sees it, it 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:19.669 does not look like a substandard lot. That's the first thing. 01:20:22.241 --> 01:20:24.241 the second thing is that there 01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:26.439 is no strong every house looks 01:20:27.400 --> 01:20:28.342 the same and it has to be just so. 01:20:29.948 --> 01:20:31.948 They have described it or staff 01:20:33.350 --> 01:20:35.683 described it not a strong or singular neighborhood character 01:20:35.916 --> 01:20:37.916 defining the surrounding 01:20:38.251 --> 01:20:40.287 neighborhood, and I think that is very true. 01:20:43.523 --> 01:20:45.523 Some of the examples used here 01:20:48.758 --> 01:20:51.630 of the mansions were not really, I didn't consider them close 01:20:56.236 --> 01:20:58.236 enough to be used as examples. 01:21:02.142 --> 01:21:04.608 So I'm going to support that if justin wilson will make a motion 01:21:06.430 --> 01:21:08.430 in a minute. 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:10.880 I wanted to -- I'm pleased to 01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:17.156 see this emphasis and all the things you have done to make 01:21:19.693 --> 01:21:22.630 this a green house and one of a kind. So as far as the lot is 01:21:23.529 --> 01:21:25.529 concerned, that is what we are 01:21:28.499 --> 01:21:30.404 talking about here, I will be supporting this. 01:21:31.836 --> 01:21:33.102 The house itself looks like a barn. 01:21:36.309 --> 01:21:39.275 It May have well be that portion that it makes it possible to do 01:21:39.977 --> 01:21:42.747 all of the things with all of the sun light and so forth. 01:21:45.183 --> 01:21:47.183 It is not an attractive house 01:21:48.190 --> 01:21:50.884 and that May be what is causing the neighbors not to like it. 01:21:54.790 --> 01:21:56.790 That is my two cents worth and I 01:21:59.630 --> 01:22:01.630 hope that council supports this. 01:22:02.433 --> 01:22:04.433 >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. 01:22:09.169 --> 01:22:11.169 A couple of quick questions, in 01:22:11.875 --> 01:22:13.875 the aggregate I support the 01:22:16.810 --> 01:22:18.810 environmental ideas and 01:22:20.500 --> 01:22:21.277 architect choices you are making. 01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:26.119 But my question is in the 01:22:31.522 --> 01:22:33.522 drawings on number nine, the 01:22:35.163 --> 01:22:37.163 slide number nine, so you said 01:22:38.265 --> 01:22:40.265 it is a 12 foot gap between the 01:22:45.271 --> 01:22:47.739 house that we see on, well, no, you have it correct. 01:22:49.742 --> 01:22:52.112 The house that is skwair quare in the 01:22:53.917 --> 01:22:56.849 middle, white with the red chimney, right in the middle of 01:22:58.554 --> 01:23:00.554 the screen, so that's right 01:23:01.288 --> 01:23:03.288 behind to the left of the yellow 01:23:04.292 --> 01:23:06.292 star, that is the house that has 01:23:07.428 --> 01:23:09.428 the most impact, obviously. 01:23:10.298 --> 01:23:12.298 We don't have a photo or angle 01:23:14.396 --> 01:23:16.396 of what the applicant's house 01:23:16.668 --> 01:23:18.668 would like or face, is that 01:23:19.470 --> 01:23:21.470 totally blocking, is this what 01:23:22.707 --> 01:23:24.707 this house would face, is it 01:23:25.277 --> 01:23:28.249 facing a wall of the barn of this house, a modern looking 01:23:29.677 --> 01:23:31.677 house, it is unique looking, 01:23:33.382 --> 01:23:35.382 which I don't mind per se, how 01:23:36.570 --> 01:23:38.570 close is it? 01:23:40.240 --> 01:23:42.240 This is their frontage? 01:23:42.296 --> 01:23:44.296 Or do they face fillmoor. 01:23:45.610 --> 01:23:47.610 >> I think in the staff report 01:23:48.298 --> 01:23:50.298 on page, actually page 61, 62, 01:23:50.302 --> 01:23:52.468 it is not numbered. After page 60. 01:23:53.690 --> 01:23:55.106 Are drawings that show the relationship of the new house 01:23:59.408 --> 01:24:00.709 and the existing house, in particular. 01:24:02.277 --> 01:24:04.277 On the existing house, the 01:24:04.451 --> 01:24:06.451 neighbor, what it is showing are 01:24:07.818 --> 01:24:10.450 the site lines from the existing house and how they will be 01:24:11.555 --> 01:24:13.555 blocked or not blocked by the 01:24:13.689 --> 01:24:14.889 new one. Alex? 01:24:16.893 --> 01:24:18.893 >> yes, on the material in the 01:24:19.731 --> 01:24:21.731 staff report packet, the only 01:24:26.367 --> 01:24:28.367 window on that adjacent house, 01:24:29.972 --> 01:24:32.437 the while one, it has only one window facing it. 01:24:37.476 --> 01:24:38.813 The image is taken from fillmoor. 01:24:40.511 --> 01:24:42.511 That is the front of the house. 01:24:42.552 --> 01:24:44.552 Have we heard, is that the 01:24:44.653 --> 01:24:46.653 neighbor that I and others have 01:24:47.623 --> 01:24:49.725 heard from, I believe it is. >> yes. 01:24:50.191 --> 01:24:51.824 >> Miss Carver. >> yes. 01:24:53.590 --> 01:24:56.298 >> they couldn't be here because they had to be out of town, they 01:24:57.310 --> 01:24:59.310 have reached out to us. 01:25:02.400 --> 01:25:04.400 So her concern was that is it 01:25:05.200 --> 01:25:07.773 standard as far as the distance between her house and the 01:25:08.742 --> 01:25:10.742 applicant's house and there's no 01:25:13.312 --> 01:25:15.111 wiggle room as far as more space or -- 01:25:15.781 --> 01:25:17.781 what is the standard? 01:25:18.282 --> 01:25:19.948 >> it is 12 feet is the standard. 01:25:20.619 --> 01:25:22.619 >> that's what it is here? 01:25:22.886 --> 01:25:24.886 >> yes, 12.1. 01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:31.620 What we are facing is a minor modification on the street side 01:25:36.368 --> 01:25:37.967 in order to assure the 12 feet of separation. 01:25:38.936 --> 01:25:40.936 Go to the slide showing the 01:25:41.350 --> 01:25:43.350 neighborhood, the side yard 01:25:43.700 --> 01:25:45.700 fairly consistent in the 01:25:46.744 --> 01:25:49.147 neighborhood, 12 foot side yards or even less in some of the 01:25:50.182 --> 01:25:52.380 cases is common in this area where these lots are. 01:25:55.317 --> 01:25:58.860 >> she expressed concern about the setback from rosser because 01:26:00.988 --> 01:26:03.190 it is a corner lot. You have pushed that back? 01:26:03.190 --> 01:26:05.190 >> that's right. 01:26:05.794 --> 01:26:08.396 >> correct. >> you mean pushing it to 01:26:10.331 --> 01:26:12.331 forward to rosser? 01:26:13.200 --> 01:26:15.200 >> no, we have positioned the 01:26:15.690 --> 01:26:17.504 house in the most ideal location setback from the neighbor's 01:26:20.176 --> 01:26:22.176 house with 12 feet, set back 01:26:25.770 --> 01:26:27.770 from rosser, slightly lower the 01:26:27.651 --> 01:26:30.183 zoning requirement, but in alignment with the neighboring 01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:34.520 houses and setback from fillmoor 01:26:34.921 --> 01:26:36.921 is aligning with the standard. 01:26:37.387 --> 01:26:39.387 >> one of the letters that we 01:26:44.531 --> 01:26:46.531 have received from owen curtis 01:26:47.664 --> 01:26:49.766 urged to moving the house further to the north. 01:26:50.740 --> 01:26:52.736 >> that was discussed at the planning commission meeting. 01:26:55.103 --> 01:26:57.103 In order to again align with 01:27:04.251 --> 01:27:07.200 rosser toee -- to create a set back. >> that is across the street 01:27:07.200 --> 01:27:09.200 from it. 01:27:11.250 --> 01:27:13.250 >> it is facing, see it to the 01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:15.997 upper corner of the lot. >> it is positioned a different 01:27:15.997 --> 01:27:17.825 way. >> true. 01:27:18.696 --> 01:27:20.699 I remember that. >> yes. 01:27:22.235 --> 01:27:24.665 We wanted to make sure that the street line of that house and 01:27:30.430 --> 01:27:32.274 the new house are fairly close together. 01:27:35.482 --> 01:27:37.482 They are not perfectly aligned. 01:27:38.160 --> 01:27:40.160 >> they are certainly are not. 01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:43.755 >> they are closer to alignment and found appropriate and using 01:27:46.457 --> 01:27:48.792 the zoning standard, we are creating a modification but it 01:27:51.594 --> 01:27:53.594 is very low. 01:27:56.340 --> 01:27:58.340 1.5 feet. 01:27:58.569 --> 01:28:00.768 >> if moved forward it is some distance from the carver house 01:28:08.540 --> 01:28:10.540 and giving relief to them. 01:28:13.715 --> 01:28:15.715 >> since a modification needs 01:28:16.321 --> 01:28:19.560 requested, that you have the option to move the house or 01:28:19.988 --> 01:28:22.819 approve a movement to the house closer to rosser. 01:28:23.658 --> 01:28:25.658 The planning commission 01:28:26.629 --> 01:28:28.928 considered that and said it is not optimal. 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:32.399 They already have a 12 yard side 01:28:33.265 --> 01:28:34.736 yard and that is who the zoning requirement requires. 01:28:40.444 --> 01:28:42.444 Yes, that is on the table. 01:28:44.112 --> 01:28:46.112 >> Mr. Smedberg. 01:28:46.216 --> 01:28:48.216 >> I want to say I actually 01:28:49.214 --> 01:28:51.214 watched the planning 01:28:52.251 --> 01:28:54.251 commission's discussion on this. 01:28:55.921 --> 01:28:57.921 I have to say when they ended, I 01:28:57.991 --> 01:28:59.991 think they dealt with this and 01:29:00.126 --> 01:29:02.126 the positioning and where they 01:29:04.697 --> 01:29:07.234 ended up with a great deal of sensitivity and great deal of 01:29:08.168 --> 01:29:10.168 fairness to everyone, really, 01:29:11.710 --> 01:29:13.710 throughout the neighbors, the 01:29:16.443 --> 01:29:19.430 oply cant -- applicant and others, and after reading the 01:29:19.476 --> 01:29:21.476 report and listening to that, 01:29:21.482 --> 01:29:23.482 they have come up with a very, 01:29:24.247 --> 01:29:26.952 very good solution for all parties and you know, doing what 01:29:29.217 --> 01:29:31.217 they did to get it further away 01:29:34.556 --> 01:29:37.295 from the house there. After listening to that 01:29:37.897 --> 01:29:39.897 discussion and everything and 01:29:41.597 --> 01:29:43.597 the new member was very helpful 01:29:43.869 --> 01:29:46.335 in that discussion as were others, I'm very comfortable 01:29:50.500 --> 01:29:51.842 with the recommendation as presented. 01:29:52.750 --> 01:29:54.750 I will put a motion on the table 01:29:55.611 --> 01:29:57.611 to accept the planning 01:29:59.480 --> 01:30:01.480 commission recommendation with 01:30:01.916 --> 01:30:03.916 applicable codes and ordinances 01:30:04.122 --> 01:30:06.322 to the amendment which the planning commission did. >> second. 01:30:07.253 --> 01:30:08.557 >> motion and second. Discussion? 01:30:11.526 --> 01:30:13.526 All in favor? 01:30:14.940 --> 01:30:16.940 Opposed? 01:30:16.930 --> 01:30:19.234 Ayes have it. 6 14-3804 special use permit #2014-0128. 01:30:19.433 --> 01:30:22.400 101 and 107 north union street- the waterfront market. Public hearing and consideration 01:30:22.690 --> 01:30:24.690 of a request to amend previously 01:30:24.671 --> 01:30:26.671 approved special use permit 01:30:28.309 --> 01:30:30.309 #2013-0009 to expand an existing 01:30:30.912 --> 01:30:32.912 restaurant; zoned wpr and 01:30:35.480 --> 01:30:37.616 kr/waterfront park and recreation and king street urban 01:30:39.218 --> 01:30:42.510 retail. Planning commission action: 01:30:43.324 --> 01:30:45.324 recommend approval 6-0. 01:30:45.725 --> 01:30:47.858 >> we have no speakers. We have a presentation. 01:30:52.232 --> 01:30:54.232 >> in the interest of full 01:30:55.636 --> 01:30:58.437 disclosure, I did receive an in-kind contribution from the applicant. 01:30:59.504 --> 01:31:01.504 It is not affecting my ability 01:31:01.705 --> 01:31:03.507 to imparablely handle this issue. Thank you. 01:31:04.511 --> 01:31:06.145 >> thank you. Staff? 01:31:07.581 --> 01:31:09.581 >> good morning, mayor, members 01:31:09.748 --> 01:31:11.748 of the city council. 01:31:12.870 --> 01:31:13.585 I'm richard from the planning department. 01:31:14.716 --> 01:31:17.623 The request before you is expanding an existing restaurant 01:31:18.455 --> 01:31:20.455 for previously approved sup. 01:31:21.661 --> 01:31:24.127 With this request, no changes in the operation hours. 01:31:25.196 --> 01:31:27.464 With this request, we are amending previously approved 01:31:27.929 --> 01:31:29.929 conditions relating to loading 01:31:30.169 --> 01:31:32.169 and unloading issues and no 01:31:34.772 --> 01:31:37.307 change in the license existing license agreement is need. 01:31:38.707 --> 01:31:41.606 When this project was brought to this body about two years ago, 01:31:44.549 --> 01:31:46.549 the applicant, waterfront,llc 01:31:52.885 --> 01:31:54.885 was approved for 150 seats to 01:32:00.998 --> 01:32:02.298 operate the restaurant on king street. 01:32:03.350 --> 01:32:05.350 With that request, there were 01:32:06.269 --> 01:32:09.360 two actions taken by this body. There was an action to approve 01:32:11.700 --> 01:32:13.380 the use of the sup and action to approve the ordinance to 01:32:14.310 --> 01:32:16.310 authorize the license agreement 01:32:16.644 --> 01:32:18.207 between the applicant and the city. 01:32:19.348 --> 01:32:21.348 The applicant is requesting an 01:32:21.483 --> 01:32:23.483 amendment to the sup and no 01:32:24.583 --> 01:32:27.118 action is required regarding the license city between the city 01:32:27.683 --> 01:32:29.683 and the applicant. 01:32:30.459 --> 01:32:31.791 The restaurant opened in November 2013. 01:32:32.523 --> 01:32:34.523 With this request, the applicant 01:32:35.161 --> 01:32:37.996 is requesting to expand the restaurant to the retail bay, 01:32:39.764 --> 01:32:41.764 located at the corner of north 01:32:41.834 --> 01:32:43.834 union and king street. 01:32:44.839 --> 01:32:47.605 This is showing the existing restaurant and the orange is 01:32:48.205 --> 01:32:50.205 proposed expansion where the 01:32:51.546 --> 01:32:53.546 current jewellers is located. 01:32:54.114 --> 01:32:56.114 The request includes a request 01:32:56.243 --> 01:32:58.243 to increase the seats from 150 01:32:59.184 --> 01:33:01.184 to 222 total seats, which is 01:33:04.391 --> 01:33:06.391 broken into 135 indoor seats, 67 01:33:07.724 --> 01:33:09.724 seats along the marina and 20 01:33:11.970 --> 01:33:13.970 seats along king seat. 01:33:15.363 --> 01:33:17.363 7:00 A.M. To 11:00 A.M. And 01:33:21.273 --> 01:33:23.840 outdoor dining consistent with the outdoor dining. 01:33:25.742 --> 01:33:28.379 With this request, you see the existing floor plan on the left 01:33:30.682 --> 01:33:32.682 and proposed on the right. 01:33:33.216 --> 01:33:35.149 The applicant is requesting the seats increased. 01:33:37.424 --> 01:33:39.424 For a net increase of 59 seats. 01:33:39.657 --> 01:33:41.424 The new floor plan model accommodates quick service and 01:33:42.522 --> 01:33:44.522 casual dining and the order 01:33:47.263 --> 01:33:49.263 counter is replaced by a 01:33:49.734 --> 01:33:52.203 take-out counter. There will be a wait staff and 01:33:55.441 --> 01:33:57.441 the menu concept is similar to 01:33:58.141 --> 01:34:00.141 how it is currently. 01:34:02.579 --> 01:34:04.579 This new proppal and 01:34:05.450 --> 01:34:07.490 reconfigured floor plan is accommodating 20 bar seats in 01:34:08.549 --> 01:34:11.210 the restaurant. A second dining room will be 01:34:11.210 --> 01:34:13.210 added. 01:34:13.719 --> 01:34:16.589 At the time of the previous approval, we had yet to start 01:34:17.223 --> 01:34:19.223 the phase one design of the 01:34:20.699 --> 01:34:22.699 waterfront plan, and the floor 01:34:22.799 --> 01:34:24.799 plan is taking advantage of the 01:34:25.363 --> 01:34:27.363 concept approved by this body 01:34:28.437 --> 01:34:30.437 last June where old and proposed 01:34:31.100 --> 01:34:33.806 maximizing the views at the foot of king street. 01:34:34.908 --> 01:34:36.908 The mroor plan is taking 01:34:38.410 --> 01:34:40.778 aadvantage of the future views. While the applicant is 01:34:43.116 --> 01:34:45.116 increasing the amount of the 01:34:48.986 --> 01:34:50.986 intoor yore seats, the majority 01:34:51.659 --> 01:34:52.990 arrive by other modes than advocates. 01:34:53.893 --> 01:34:56.661 The project is located within the central business district, 01:34:58.730 --> 01:35:00.730 which restaurants from 01:35:03.133 --> 01:35:05.133 standard parking requirements. 01:35:05.970 --> 01:35:07.970 The previous restrictions for 01:35:08.308 --> 01:35:10.308 management is carried forward 01:35:10.608 --> 01:35:12.707 with this request and the staff continues to monitor the parking 01:35:13.813 --> 01:35:15.813 as the waterfront is developing 01:35:15.912 --> 01:35:17.912 in the future years. 01:35:20.617 --> 01:35:22.617 For the exterior portion, 01:35:22.753 --> 01:35:24.753 increasing the seats to 67 in 01:35:25.554 --> 01:35:27.122 the outdoor portion of the marina. 01:35:29.295 --> 01:35:30.894 That is net increase of 13 seats. 01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:33.960 The marina space is currently 01:35:35.133 --> 01:35:37.133 defined with fencing, lights and 01:35:37.999 --> 01:35:39.999 awnings that enhance and define 01:35:42.540 --> 01:35:45.206 the public space. Increase of the amount of seats 01:35:49.111 --> 01:35:51.111 is requested with this proposal. 01:35:54.819 --> 01:35:57.713 The seating increased requested outdoors is not requiring 01:35:57.854 --> 01:35:59.854 revisions with the license 01:36:00.860 --> 01:36:02.825 agreement with the city and the applicant. The agreement was based on the 01:36:03.627 --> 01:36:06.328 square footage of the land requested not the seats allowed 01:36:07.362 --> 01:36:09.362 within the space. 01:36:09.899 --> 01:36:12.795 Therefore no changes are requested and no modifications 01:36:14.101 --> 01:36:16.101 are needed and no actions by the 01:36:17.400 --> 01:36:18.233 council this morning for the request. 01:36:20.344 --> 01:36:22.845 This request brought before the council there was a discussion 01:36:22.845 --> 01:36:24.845 regarding the license fee. 01:36:26.414 --> 01:36:28.780 The project is in the second year of a three year agreement, 01:36:30.250 --> 01:36:32.215 at the end of the agreement, the license agreement will be 01:36:32.617 --> 01:36:34.617 renegotiated and a revision to 01:36:38.757 --> 01:36:40.757 the fee or calculation can be 01:36:41.290 --> 01:36:42.226 negotiated or discussed by this body. 01:36:43.331 --> 01:36:45.566 Is the existing loading condition and proposed. 01:36:48.369 --> 01:36:50.631 The star in red is the previous loading and the star high 01:36:53.400 --> 01:36:55.304 lighted in yellow is the new proposed location for the 01:36:57.274 --> 01:36:59.778 loading and unloading. The previous condition using the 01:37:00.344 --> 01:37:02.344 office building and food court 01:37:03.346 --> 01:37:05.648 for loading and unloading along the alley for service 01:37:05.648 --> 01:37:07.648 deliveries. 01:37:09.530 --> 01:37:11.530 Which the applicant was in 01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:13.888 violation was because of the reported difficulty to the 01:37:15.360 --> 01:37:17.360 loading dock and coordinating 01:37:18.699 --> 01:37:21.565 the uses. The applicant with the staff and 01:37:25.205 --> 01:37:28.136 it is 2ker78ed that the fay yet alley is allowing for loading 01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:31.640 and unloading services to occur. 01:37:31.870 --> 01:37:33.870 They have been add viedz 01:37:35.410 --> 01:37:37.410 vised loading 01:37:38.649 --> 01:37:41.283 and unloading is not allowed along king street. 01:37:41.884 --> 01:37:43.820 Mr. Mayor? >> if I could. 01:37:47.723 --> 01:37:50.610 >> finish the last slide. >> after first successful year 01:37:52.493 --> 01:37:55.225 of operation, the propose add restaurant expansion is a 01:37:57.203 --> 01:37:59.203 continued asset to the 01:38:07.844 --> 01:38:09.844 waterfront. 01:38:13.282 --> 01:38:16.116 The corner activation increases vitality to and from the arena. 01:38:16.747 --> 01:38:18.451 With that, staff recommends approval. 01:38:19.287 --> 01:38:20.855 >> Mr. Smedberg? >> thank you. 01:38:22.526 --> 01:38:23.824 Go back to that. Okay. 01:38:25.125 --> 01:38:27.394 I mean this to me, I will put a marker on the ground now, the 01:38:28.895 --> 01:38:30.895 loading and unloading in general 01:38:31.427 --> 01:38:33.703 in that whole area, I will take this opportunity to just say 01:38:36.668 --> 01:38:38.668 this and it is becoming 01:38:39.772 --> 01:38:41.772 increaseingly problematic in the 01:38:42.673 --> 01:38:44.673 size of the trucks come there, 01:38:45.178 --> 01:38:47.380 and cars are parked, people can't get by. 01:38:48.315 --> 01:38:50.315 It is really becoming a problem. 01:38:50.517 --> 01:38:52.251 And we have to address the issue in general. 01:38:53.353 --> 01:38:55.955 But with that being said, so the alley way you are proposing, 01:39:00.580 --> 01:39:02.259 that is the one behind the lucky knot? >> correct. 01:39:03.462 --> 01:39:05.462 >> who owns that alley way? 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:08.399 >> it is a public alley way. 01:39:08.532 --> 01:39:10.300 So people own it, the city owns it. 01:39:12.971 --> 01:39:15.806 But there are constantly cars parked in it. 01:39:24.447 --> 01:39:26.447 How do you allow loading and 01:39:27.781 --> 01:39:29.652 unloading there with the cars parked there. 01:39:29.856 --> 01:39:31.856 It could help with the loading 01:39:33.756 --> 01:39:34.974 and unloading issues in that area. 01:39:37.662 --> 01:39:39.662 People are there all day long. 01:39:41.163 --> 01:39:43.163 It is something, again, we have 01:39:43.632 --> 01:39:46.469 the opportunity to do it, we have got to address this issue 01:39:47.941 --> 01:39:49.941 and the trash trucks come, they 01:39:52.374 --> 01:39:54.374 need access to the corner and 01:39:54.911 --> 01:39:56.911 starbucks and this is something 01:39:58.181 --> 01:40:01.470 we have to be proactive on now. We are have limited space to do this. 01:40:02.170 --> 01:40:04.954 I'm taking this opportunity to say this, but that is something 01:40:07.719 --> 01:40:09.719 that really has to be addressed 01:40:11.460 --> 01:40:12.994 because it gives us the option, potentially. 01:40:17.399 --> 01:40:18.701 >> yes, thank you, councilmember smedberg. 01:40:19.867 --> 01:40:21.867 When we said behind the lucky 01:40:25.936 --> 01:40:27.274 knot, we actually meant the alley. 01:40:28.420 --> 01:40:30.420 >> that is the same thing. 01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:32.709 The lucky knot is there on the corner there. 01:40:32.977 --> 01:40:34.977 >> yes. 01:40:37.170 --> 01:40:39.170 >> and is there a reason why you 01:40:40.717 --> 01:40:42.819 said landini's? >> no. 01:40:43.855 --> 01:40:46.357 I wanted to be clear on the block. No other reason. 01:40:47.357 --> 01:40:49.357 >> okay. 01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:54.933 >> I'm bob with tes, you make an excellent point and we have been 01:40:56.434 --> 01:40:58.434 working with the parking and the 01:40:58.501 --> 01:41:00.936 tenants, that is exactly what is happening, the cars and trucks 01:41:02.776 --> 01:41:04.274 are parked and staying there and blocking. 01:41:05.679 --> 01:41:07.746 >> that is not right. >> you are correct. 01:41:09.248 --> 01:41:11.709 We'll take a look at that closer and I will work with the folks 01:41:12.515 --> 01:41:14.515 with the planning and zoning on 01:41:16.486 --> 01:41:18.486 this issue and parking 01:41:18.990 --> 01:41:20.990 enforcement to improve the signs 01:41:21.128 --> 01:41:23.128 and work it better. 01:41:23.592 --> 01:41:26.228 >> it is a prickly issue, but one we have to address. 01:41:27.565 --> 01:41:29.565 It could be a real solution here 01:41:31.671 --> 01:41:33.671 for some of this, and we have to 01:41:34.736 --> 01:41:36.736 tackle it. 01:41:36.737 --> 01:41:38.737 >> and certainly I concur. 01:41:41.110 --> 01:41:43.110 In addition of the staff looking 01:41:43.247 --> 01:41:45.247 at -- at this issue in terms of 01:41:46.146 --> 01:41:49.810 loading and unloading, probably in terms of the whole area, we 01:41:52.386 --> 01:41:54.386 have to look at in terms setting 01:41:56.224 --> 01:41:58.224 up time periods that loading and 01:41:58.725 --> 01:42:00.280 unloading for businesses can occur. 01:42:00.933 --> 01:42:03.932 The district of columbia just did this. I think it is a test case over 01:42:05.201 --> 01:42:07.201 there right now, hopefully 01:42:08.710 --> 01:42:10.734 they'll see positive results and we certainly need to take this 01:42:10.734 --> 01:42:13.238 into consideration as well. >> Mr. Mayor? 01:42:14.971 --> 01:42:16.971 >> Mr. Smedberg? 01:42:16.973 --> 01:42:18.973 >> carl, not only for loading 01:42:26.823 --> 01:42:28.823 and unloading, but for tom and 01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:32.159 others have things going on, we 01:42:32.160 --> 01:42:34.828 need the space from union street to maybe park a vehicle or two 01:42:35.397 --> 01:42:37.910 to help with some of that along the way. 01:42:38.696 --> 01:42:41.129 So again, just putting the markers down. 01:42:42.901 --> 01:42:44.901 I know it is prickly for some 01:42:45.271 --> 01:42:47.271 reasons, but I just, we really 01:42:51.945 --> 01:42:53.945 have to address it. 01:42:55.470 --> 01:42:57.470 Mr. Mayor, I have a couple more 01:42:57.840 --> 01:42:59.840 questions. 01:43:01.650 --> 01:43:03.650 >> but this alley is eyes 01:43:03.820 --> 01:43:05.624 used for pedestrians to cut through. 01:43:08.759 --> 01:43:10.759 With the cars, there is not a 01:43:10.995 --> 01:43:13.630 safe feeling. >> all right. 01:43:14.831 --> 01:43:16.831 Mr. Smedberg. 01:43:18.468 --> 01:43:19.803 >> first, I want to go with that. 01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:24.600 Would it be a fire hazard to 01:43:25.309 --> 01:43:27.309 have all of the trucks there if 01:43:28.147 --> 01:43:30.147 God forbid the fire trucks 01:43:31.313 --> 01:43:33.313 needed to get in the alley way. 01:43:35.190 --> 01:43:37.190 I wonder if we are setting up 01:43:37.820 --> 01:43:40.721 for a new possibility here. What is wrong with the other 01:43:42.427 --> 01:43:44.427 location that staff was saying, 01:43:44.829 --> 01:43:47.760 it was working, I know it was a hassle, I guess, but if that 01:43:50.100 --> 01:43:52.100 other location, the previous 01:43:54.237 --> 01:43:56.936 loading area perhaps that would alleviate concerns up here. 01:44:00.478 --> 01:44:02.943 >> it involved logistical problems because of the distance 01:44:04.610 --> 01:44:06.610 and that is why unfortunately 01:44:08.430 --> 01:44:10.430 sometimes they would use the 01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:13.755 street out of, for an alternative. 01:44:14.352 --> 01:44:16.790 We have discussed this with transportation looking at the 01:44:17.191 --> 01:44:19.191 alley as an alternative, since 01:44:19.427 --> 01:44:21.427 that alley is used as a loading 01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:24.950 area for other businesses, we felt it is appropriate also for 01:44:25.267 --> 01:44:27.267 this particular business, that 01:44:27.564 --> 01:44:29.564 is really one of the main 01:44:29.567 --> 01:44:32.306 function of the alleys, that is where you put the loading 01:44:32.470 --> 01:44:34.470 activities. 01:44:39.276 --> 01:44:41.276 >> thompson alley serves as a 01:44:46.721 --> 01:44:48.721 pedestrian function than 01:44:49.954 --> 01:44:51.954 fayyette alley. 01:44:55.225 --> 01:44:57.225 >> thank you. 01:44:57.727 --> 01:44:59.727 >> so the 20 seats on the king 01:45:01.563 --> 01:45:03.563 street side, any concern by 01:45:04.664 --> 01:45:06.664 staff there, particularly for 01:45:07.639 --> 01:45:09.639 the ones west of the steps, the 01:45:11.378 --> 01:45:13.378 four or six in that area there. 01:45:13.775 --> 01:45:15.775 The reason I ask that, until 01:45:16.981 --> 01:45:19.684 something happens with that zero block, the trolly is there, it 01:45:21.454 --> 01:45:23.454 is a congested corner, we don't 01:45:24.952 --> 01:45:27.858 have any rules on people using our sidewalks in that area there 01:45:29.240 --> 01:45:31.240 in terms of street performance, 01:45:34.798 --> 01:45:36.798 which causes blocks, I'm -- do 01:45:37.320 --> 01:45:39.320 we feel that that's going to 01:45:40.270 --> 01:45:43.204 take a small amount of space but an important amount of space for 01:45:44.305 --> 01:45:46.240 the people and the flow on the corner there? 01:45:48.310 --> 01:45:50.642 >> that same space was used last year under the outdoor dining 01:45:50.642 --> 01:45:52.642 program. 01:45:53.413 --> 01:45:55.413 And we didn't have any real 01:45:56.519 --> 01:45:59.454 issues from it in use last year and previous years. 01:46:00.421 --> 01:46:03.356 It was a lot of work, in fact, with the applicant on making 01:46:04.262 --> 01:46:06.262 sure that the furniture they are 01:46:08.628 --> 01:46:09.829 using is appropriate for the area. 01:46:11.262 --> 01:46:13.262 >> I trust that the applicant is 01:46:14.433 --> 01:46:16.433 doing it right. 01:46:21.142 --> 01:46:23.207 Are we creating too much on the one side? 01:46:24.581 --> 01:46:26.844 >> tfts not an issue last year. It worked fine. 01:46:29.550 --> 01:46:31.550 >> an and then, so I mean I want 01:46:31.551 --> 01:46:33.551 to make sure, the increase in 01:46:36.991 --> 01:46:38.719 seats along the marina to 67, that's fine. 01:46:40.660 --> 01:46:42.660 But the way you are doing it and 01:46:43.960 --> 01:46:45.559 not getting a fee up front and waiting until the renewal, are 01:46:46.296 --> 01:46:48.296 we concerned about a precedent 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:50.399 that we are setting there with 01:46:52.271 --> 01:46:54.271 other things coming forward? 01:46:54.872 --> 01:46:56.835 >> well, the fee was part of a three year license agreement 01:46:58.600 --> 01:47:00.600 that the applicant signd with 01:47:00.842 --> 01:47:02.842 the city and pays an annual fee. 01:47:03.120 --> 01:47:05.120 >> but with 50 something seats. 01:47:06.150 --> 01:47:08.818 That is calculated on the square footage at the number of seats. 01:47:09.114 --> 01:47:11.114 >> oh, okay. 01:47:11.988 --> 01:47:14.389 >> solely the square footage. I know, I'm confident that we 01:47:15.491 --> 01:47:18.491 are going to look at all of the license agreements every time 01:47:19.126 --> 01:47:21.126 they come up to make sure they 01:47:21.297 --> 01:47:23.162 are in line with the market conditions. 01:47:24.566 --> 01:47:27.537 We are investing a lot in that part of town and we'll want all 01:47:28.634 --> 01:47:30.634 of the license agreements up and 01:47:33.173 --> 01:47:34.775 down the waterfront to e reflect that? 01:47:35.977 --> 01:47:38.812 >> so that again is on the square footage. okay. 01:47:40.110 --> 01:47:41.846 Got it. Thank you. 01:47:46.453 --> 01:47:48.453 >> allison had questions. 01:47:49.287 --> 01:47:52.191 >> I had a motion to put on the table. First of all, do we have an 01:47:53.526 --> 01:47:55.526 answer with regard to the fire 01:47:57.661 --> 01:47:59.661 hazard possibility of using that 01:48:00.598 --> 01:48:02.598 extending that? 01:48:04.837 --> 01:48:07.666 >> I don't have a specific statement, but I remember 01:48:07.667 --> 01:48:09.667 walking the staff last summer 01:48:11.409 --> 01:48:13.409 and looking at the options, and 01:48:13.412 --> 01:48:15.412 my memory is we workd with the 01:48:18.853 --> 01:48:20.853 firework as tens. 01:48:21.850 --> 01:48:22.349 I don't have a specific statement. 01:48:23.654 --> 01:48:25.654 So I will be happy to provide 01:48:26.292 --> 01:48:28.458 that for you. But my memory is we looked at 01:48:28.458 --> 01:48:30.458 that. 01:48:31.498 --> 01:48:34.280 >> as alluded to, it is not necessarily just about this, but 01:48:35.396 --> 01:48:37.396 other businesses that are using 01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:42.540 the alley and if minutes matter getting someone out to move a 01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:46.800 truck when the fire trucks need 01:48:49.215 --> 01:48:51.512 to get, three minutes make a difference. 01:48:52.881 --> 01:48:54.284 >> alex has material to share on the subject. 01:48:55.919 --> 01:48:57.450 We submitted this sup application to the fire 01:48:58.120 --> 01:49:01.120 department for comments. >> can you speak up? 01:49:01.188 --> 01:49:03.188 >> yes. 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:07.294 We submitted this to the fire department for their comments. 01:49:08.798 --> 01:49:10.798 They just recommended that fire 01:49:11.398 --> 01:49:13.398 prevention permit is required 01:49:16.269 --> 01:49:19.420 for the auk pant load for the restaurant itself. 01:49:22.175 --> 01:49:24.175 >> to the alley? 01:49:25.942 --> 01:49:27.942 >> they have not put objections. 01:49:28.814 --> 01:49:30.814 >> that is already used for many 01:49:31.830 --> 01:49:32.750 businesses there and trucks are already using this. 01:49:34.621 --> 01:49:37.157 This is not a new use to the alley. it is still passable for the 01:49:39.759 --> 01:49:42.426 fire apparatus. >> good. 01:49:43.395 --> 01:49:44.729 There is the answer. Good. 01:49:47.935 --> 01:49:50.705 So I think the waterfront market has already proven to be a success. 01:49:52.473 --> 01:49:54.473 I love going there myself. 01:49:54.940 --> 01:49:56.940 I see the applicant is sitting 01:49:57.376 --> 01:49:59.376 here and that is great. 01:49:59.743 --> 01:50:02.649 I'm glad to see he is taking over this space and it is going 01:50:04.746 --> 01:50:06.552 to make that area better and I welcome that. 01:50:08.153 --> 01:50:10.153 My only issue and it is not 01:50:11.626 --> 01:50:13.626 related to the application in 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:23.833 particular, it is really an aggregate question. 01:50:25.360 --> 01:50:27.360 I want to support this, but this 01:50:28.672 --> 01:50:30.672 goes back to the same question 01:50:31.730 --> 01:50:33.730 of this the marina, the 01:50:33.811 --> 01:50:35.811 waterfront seating and the 01:50:36.847 --> 01:50:38.847 pricing and that ya'll priced it 01:50:41.182 --> 01:50:43.182 based upon square footage, and I 01:50:44.622 --> 01:50:46.622 think there's tremendous value 01:50:48.190 --> 01:50:50.190 related to for this restaurant 01:50:50.823 --> 01:50:52.823 in this belongs to the city, 01:50:52.857 --> 01:50:54.857 that I call it the deck, if you 01:50:55.898 --> 01:50:57.898 will, if the deck is, the price 01:50:59.334 --> 01:51:02.299 that we are setting at it is under a thousand dollars a 01:51:04.360 --> 01:51:06.360 month, like a $11,000 a year for 01:51:07.310 --> 01:51:09.310 the space, instead of being 54 01:51:13.481 --> 01:51:15.481 seats it is 67 seat, it seems to 01:51:16.782 --> 01:51:18.782 me we are giving an away an 01:51:19.530 --> 01:51:21.530 asset of the city. 01:51:21.187 --> 01:51:23.989 This is the people's business, the people's property, really, 01:51:28.290 --> 01:51:30.290 so if we are leasing it, if you 01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:32.863 will, isn't it $11,000. It is under a thousand dollars a 01:51:35.201 --> 01:51:37.166 month for all that space on the marina, on the deck? 01:51:38.805 --> 01:51:40.805 >> that is correct. 01:51:41.908 --> 01:51:43.908 It is 815 square feet of total 01:51:45.110 --> 01:51:47.280 area on the deck, that calculation was the market value 01:51:48.881 --> 01:51:51.216 of the land that is in the fee and annual fee. 01:51:52.416 --> 01:51:54.416 so the fee this year is 3% 01:51:55.353 --> 01:51:57.353 higher than it was last year. 01:51:57.490 --> 01:51:59.490 >> all right. 01:51:59.653 --> 01:52:01.653 >> so it is -- going back, yes 01:52:03.562 --> 01:52:05.562 or no, $11,000 per year for all 01:52:05.765 --> 01:52:08.398 that space along the marina on the deck? >> correct. 01:52:10.736 --> 01:52:13.573 >> under a thousand dollars a month? >> correct. 01:52:14.737 --> 01:52:16.737 >> I really support this in 01:52:17.676 --> 01:52:19.676 general, it is a bear, I know it 01:52:19.711 --> 01:52:22.176 is said that Mr. Mayor, when I asked him yesterday or today 01:52:25.850 --> 01:52:28.784 about this, that it's something they are going to revich when it 01:52:31.557 --> 01:52:33.557 comes in a year, but for now, it 01:52:33.588 --> 01:52:36.254 is not up for discussion because it was a three year agreement. 01:52:39.130 --> 01:52:41.130 Number two, you are looking at 01:52:41.466 --> 01:52:43.800 this on an across the board, right, in terms of? 01:52:47.271 --> 01:52:49.533 >> yes, this is not the only license agreement and there will 01:52:50.170 --> 01:52:52.170 be more in the future. 01:52:53.343 --> 01:52:55.343 We have discussed, you and I, 01:52:56.146 --> 01:52:58.146 these license agreements require 01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:00.680 the council's approval. 01:53:04.253 --> 01:53:06.253 It is not done in a vacuum. 01:53:08.891 --> 01:53:10.891 >> all this space, 800 something 01:53:10.926 --> 01:53:12.926 square feet for under a thousand 01:53:14.600 --> 01:53:16.600 dollars a month, and again, I 01:53:17.934 --> 01:53:19.934 want this so succeed, but I 01:53:20.200 --> 01:53:22.200 don't see how we can change, I 01:53:22.235 --> 01:53:24.235 don't know how this is possible. 01:53:24.706 --> 01:53:27.206 That us dn't make sense. >> staff brought the 01:53:28.940 --> 01:53:30.940 recommendation to this body and 01:53:31.770 --> 01:53:34.470 we debated that for two hours and approved the recommendation 01:53:34.481 --> 01:53:36.481 and so it is what it is. 01:53:37.551 --> 01:53:40.180 >> it is coming back in a year. >> yes, exactly. 01:53:41.620 --> 01:53:43.620 We have to move on, please. 01:53:43.824 --> 01:53:45.623 Mr. Wilson? >> yes. 01:53:47.358 --> 01:53:49.358 We have an agreement, right. 01:53:52.663 --> 01:53:54.968 So are you requesting, I mean -- >> we have a policy first and 01:53:54.968 --> 01:53:57.566 foremost. >> we have a three year 01:54:01.672 --> 01:54:03.672 agreement adopted by the policy. 01:54:04.875 --> 01:54:06.875 The council adopted that 01:54:08.978 --> 01:54:11.150 agreement and are you suggesting to revise the agreement on the 01:54:11.150 --> 01:54:13.150 fly here? 01:54:14.447 --> 01:54:16.447 >> no, I didn't say that. 01:54:17.452 --> 01:54:18.956 I don't think that's really possible. 01:54:20.870 --> 01:54:22.870 We shouldn't renegotiate that. 01:54:22.393 --> 01:54:24.393 I think we voted 6-1. 01:54:26.429 --> 01:54:28.429 I felt that we were giving away 01:54:29.467 --> 01:54:31.467 the deck at too low of a price 01:54:31.702 --> 01:54:33.702 and it should have been higher. 01:54:33.834 --> 01:54:35.834 >> this is not up on this item. 01:54:36.771 --> 01:54:38.672 We need a motion on the floor, please. >> Mr. Mayor? 01:54:39.308 --> 01:54:41.308 Just to be clear, the agreement 01:54:41.477 --> 01:54:43.477 was adon'ted unanimously. 01:54:43.809 --> 01:54:45.809 I have the minutes. 01:54:46.549 --> 01:54:48.581 You voted for the agreement. >> thank you. 01:54:49.985 --> 01:54:51.985 >> I pit 01:54:53.220 --> 01:54:54.186 ut a table with all of the conditions. 01:54:55.154 --> 01:54:56.856 >> motioned, seconded. Further discussion? 01:54:58.958 --> 01:55:00.958 >> I want to point out that at 01:55:01.766 --> 01:55:03.766 the time that this came before 01:55:06.268 --> 01:55:09.680 us, we were very delighted that Mr. Manner was taking a risk. 01:55:09.538 --> 01:55:11.538 It is a risky thing. 01:55:12.306 --> 01:55:14.306 You talk about the winter and it 01:55:14.877 --> 01:55:17.545 is cold and people are not necessarily so excited about 01:55:19.147 --> 01:55:21.147 going to a waterfront site. 01:55:21.517 --> 01:55:23.517 He took an enormous risk and 01:55:24.783 --> 01:55:26.919 that is part of what we had factored into this. 01:55:27.952 --> 01:55:30.757 So I think we really got a bargain in all of this. 01:55:33.610 --> 01:55:35.461 I think that this expansion gives us just everything that we 01:55:37.198 --> 01:55:39.198 have been hoping for would 01:55:41.333 --> 01:55:43.967 happen as we are implementing the waterfront plan. 01:55:45.469 --> 01:55:47.469 We were hoping for activity on 01:55:51.179 --> 01:55:53.179 the waterfront and this 01:55:53.210 --> 01:55:55.210 applicant has proven he's got 01:55:55.779 --> 01:55:58.383 something that is going thing here and this expansion is more 01:56:00.820 --> 01:56:02.820 of going to make more activity 01:56:05.121 --> 01:56:07.121 and more excitement and more 01:56:09.392 --> 01:56:12.365 energy and that is what we want along the waterfront. 01:56:12.495 --> 01:56:15.431 I'm going to support this. I hope there are other groups 01:56:18.301 --> 01:56:20.999 that will come in offer as much as Mr. Manner has. 01:56:21.470 --> 01:56:23.470 >> all right. 01:56:24.604 --> 01:56:26.604 Thank you. 01:56:26.610 --> 01:56:28.610 Again, I support the comments 01:56:30.430 --> 01:56:32.647 made by the councilmembers in support of the application. 01:56:34.349 --> 01:56:37.540 As staff pointed out, the rational is increasing the 01:56:40.121 --> 01:56:42.121 vibrancy and the owner did 01:56:44.626 --> 01:56:46.995 indeed take a risk and it is successful and you can't even 01:56:47.595 --> 01:56:50.495 get in there at times and that is a good thing and all the more 01:56:50.899 --> 01:56:52.899 reason to expand. 01:56:53.499 --> 01:56:55.499 We have a motion and second. 01:56:57.671 --> 01:56:59.671 >> closing comment, I praised 01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:02.676 him for the business and it is successful, and I do love it: 01:57:03.781 --> 01:57:05.781 the question is not related to 01:57:06.313 --> 01:57:08.313 him, but a question of policy of 01:57:09.217 --> 01:57:11.516 what we are charging for the deck to the restaurants. 01:57:12.918 --> 01:57:14.918 That is all we are pointing out. 01:57:15.558 --> 01:57:17.558 It is pointed out that we are 01:57:18.257 --> 01:57:20.329 going to discuss that and will be addressed. 01:57:22.295 --> 01:57:24.295 >> a motion and second. 01:57:27.532 --> 01:57:29.704 All in favor? Opposed. 01:57:29.704 --> 01:57:31.704 6-0-1 vote. 01:57:32.905 --> 01:57:34.905 That takes us to number 7. 01:57:37.207 --> 01:57:39.209 >> excuse me, May I say a couple of words. 01:57:41.675 --> 01:57:43.675 >> you are not signed up. 01:57:44.281 --> 01:57:46.281 But you can say a few words and 01:57:47.315 --> 01:57:48.918 turn in a speaker form. >> thank you. 01:57:50.116 --> 01:57:52.555 I want to say a couple of things, particularly about the 01:57:53.925 --> 01:57:55.925 loading, I totally agree with 01:57:56.628 --> 01:57:58.628 mr. Smedberg about the situation 01:58:00.531 --> 01:58:02.531 in the alley that could solve a 01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:05.710 lot of problems about the loading. 01:58:06.320 --> 01:58:08.320 Thompson's alley there is 01:58:09.673 --> 01:58:11.673 construction there and that is 01:58:14.276 --> 01:58:16.276 not a viable option for us. 01:58:17.349 --> 01:58:19.614 As far license agreement, yes, it is a valuable piece of 01:58:19.614 --> 01:58:21.614 property. 01:58:21.651 --> 01:58:24.353 But it is only valuable certain time of the year. 01:58:29.194 --> 01:58:31.194 And I did take an enormous risk. 01:58:31.557 --> 01:58:33.557 That property was not generating 01:58:35.970 --> 01:58:37.566 taxes or fees at all prior to us being there. 01:58:39.501 --> 01:58:42.169 In preparation for this, I would like to say that between all of 01:58:47.510 --> 01:58:49.212 my various businesses, wrote $200,000 01:58:50.978 --> 01:58:52.978 $200,000 to the city last year. 01:58:53.280 --> 01:58:55.280 So take the risks and use the 01:58:55.451 --> 01:58:57.451 public space in a better way and 01:58:57.714 --> 01:59:00.121 generating more taxes for the city. Thank you very much. 01:59:02.791 --> 01:59:05.387 >> thank you very much. No. 7. 7 14-3816 special use permit 01:59:05.387 --> 01:59:07.387 #2014-0120. 01:59:07.991 --> 01:59:10.990 1575 kenwood avenue (Parcel address: 1603 peach street)- 01:59:10.990 --> 01:59:12.990 hertz local edition. 01:59:13.737 --> 01:59:16.302 Public hearing and consideration of a request to operate an 01:59:16.302 --> 01:59:18.836 automobile rental business; zoned csl/commercial service low 01:59:19.938 --> 01:59:21.509 with proffer. Planning commission action: 01:59:26.107 --> 01:59:28.379 recommend approval 6-0. >> all right, staff. 01:59:29.315 --> 01:59:31.315 We have two speakers 01:59:32.488 --> 01:59:34.510 representing the applicant. >> good morning. 01:59:37.123 --> 01:59:39.910 I'm with the planning and zoning. 01:59:39.260 --> 01:59:41.260 Hertz represented requests 01:59:44.164 --> 01:59:46.164 special use permit approval to 01:59:47.500 --> 01:59:49.500 operate a rental business. 01:59:49.534 --> 01:59:51.534 The business primarily provides 01:59:51.835 --> 01:59:53.835 rental cars for the service 01:59:55.909 --> 01:59:57.909 center customers between 02:00:01.677 --> 02:00:03.677 7:00 A.M. To 7:00 P.M. Monday 02:00:05.380 --> 02:00:06.851 through friday and saturday morning. 02:00:09.118 --> 02:00:10.921 The business has operated since 2011 and growing and requiring 02:00:11.151 --> 02:00:13.151 the need for the sup. 02:00:14.457 --> 02:00:16.457 As background, nearby residents 02:00:17.526 --> 02:00:20.166 on p street and the condos have expressed concerns over the 02:00:20.995 --> 02:00:22.995 years regarding the on-site 02:00:23.734 --> 02:00:25.734 parking of the commercial 02:00:26.135 --> 02:00:28.135 vehicles associated with the 02:00:28.574 --> 02:00:30.574 service center and the cadillac 02:00:31.700 --> 02:00:33.975 and enterprise and hertz and these concerned have resulteded 02:00:35.245 --> 02:00:37.245 in zoning inspections and 02:00:37.784 --> 02:00:39.784 parking enforcement activities. 02:00:39.983 --> 02:00:42.717 The sup for hertz provides the opportunity to set the clear 02:00:44.510 --> 02:00:46.510 expectations for parking and 02:00:46.185 --> 02:00:48.185 other matters and establishing 02:00:48.356 --> 02:00:50.356 the rules for the business. 02:00:50.895 --> 02:00:52.895 A parking management plan is 02:00:53.159 --> 02:00:55.159 detailed in condition five of 02:00:56.597 --> 02:00:58.597 the staff report and regulating 02:01:00.370 --> 02:01:01.233 the off street parking for the hertz. 02:01:02.236 --> 02:01:04.236 Less than ten rental cars are on 02:01:04.338 --> 02:01:06.307 the property, all though 20 cars could be available. 02:01:07.541 --> 02:01:10.750 Parking for a maximum of 25 vehicles has been accounted for 02:01:11.907 --> 02:01:13.907 in the parking areas marked in 02:01:14.585 --> 02:01:16.585 green on this map. 02:01:17.546 --> 02:01:19.720 These are all on land si motor car company. 02:01:21.584 --> 02:01:23.584 Hertz put the parking management 02:01:24.250 --> 02:01:26.250 plan in process for a month. 02:01:28.825 --> 02:01:31.728 In the event that rental vehicle inventory exceeds the number of 02:01:34.801 --> 02:01:36.903 the off street parking, a team from south picket street will 02:01:38.339 --> 02:01:41.272 transfer to the cars to a parking lot at wheeler avenue or 02:01:43.645 --> 02:01:45.678 other hertz locations in the metro dc area. 02:01:47.281 --> 02:01:49.281 The return of rental cars will 02:01:51.280 --> 02:01:53.280 only take place during the 02:01:55.521 --> 02:01:57.521 business hours e e limb nating 02:01:59.291 --> 02:02:00.523 the return of the cars on the street. 02:02:02.422 --> 02:02:04.862 We'll assess in six months to assess the parking management 02:02:05.527 --> 02:02:07.527 plan and all sup conditions. 02:02:09.165 --> 02:02:11.165 In a meeting with the staff and 02:02:11.904 --> 02:02:13.904 the applicant, residents of p 02:02:15.600 --> 02:02:17.607 street and condos acknowledged that hertz vehicles were no 02:02:19.938 --> 02:02:21.938 longer pauk parking on the 02:02:23.450 --> 02:02:24.913 street after the parking management plan. 02:02:26.285 --> 02:02:28.285 The vehicles soernted with lexus 02:02:28.683 --> 02:02:30.683 service center are now parking 02:02:31.452 --> 02:02:33.452 in the public right of way. 02:02:34.259 --> 02:02:36.658 The staff met with the motor car company to discuss the 02:02:37.661 --> 02:02:40.296 neighbor's concerns and the business outlined a parking 02:02:41.999 --> 02:02:43.999 action plan to the public 02:02:50.804 --> 02:02:52.808 streets remain clear of the commercial vehicles. 02:02:55.174 --> 02:02:57.174 They are welcome to call the 02:02:57.414 --> 02:02:59.414 individuals if they find their 02:02:59.577 --> 02:03:01.378 area is negatively impacteded by the business. 02:03:02.486 --> 02:03:04.486 This document has been submitted 02:03:04.517 --> 02:03:06.517 to you. 02:03:09.156 --> 02:03:12.122 I would like to make clear however that this application is 02:03:13.454 --> 02:03:15.454 for the hertz local addition and 02:03:15.729 --> 02:03:18.499 staff recommends approval. >> thank you very much. 02:03:19.896 --> 02:03:21.896 Just before we again we have two 02:03:23.435 --> 02:03:26.403 speakers representing the applicant hertz motor, rental. 02:03:29.610 --> 02:03:31.610 Just in terms of full disclosier 02:03:34.146 --> 02:03:36.146 and because all of us are up 02:03:38.316 --> 02:03:40.316 here are in some way, fashion or 02:03:40.987 --> 02:03:42.987 form are candidates and 02:03:47.455 --> 02:03:49.455 campaigning and fund raising, we 02:03:52.661 --> 02:03:54.661 need a blanket disclosure. 02:03:55.296 --> 02:03:57.296 But the mere fact is that I have 02:03:59.201 --> 02:04:01.201 personally benefitted from 02:04:01.938 --> 02:04:03.938 contributions from the lindsay 02:04:04.642 --> 02:04:06.642 auto group family in the past, 02:04:07.544 --> 02:04:10.446 and certainly this isn't an application by the lindsay 02:04:13.148 --> 02:04:15.148 group, this is hertz rental, but 02:04:15.984 --> 02:04:17.984 i wanted to disclose that. 02:04:18.218 --> 02:04:21.121 >> I have questions to discuss. I am prepared to wait until 02:04:23.394 --> 02:04:25.964 after the speakers. >> all right. 02:04:31.990 --> 02:04:33.990 [Names being read]. 02:04:34.371 --> 02:04:36.371 >> good morning, Mr. Mayor and 02:04:37.172 --> 02:04:39.172 members of the council. 02:04:40.209 --> 02:04:42.209 I am a cold and I 02:04:44.460 --> 02:04:45.314 sound better than I did yesterday. 02:04:47.485 --> 02:04:50.251 I have been retained by hertz corporation ration to represent this application. 02:04:52.321 --> 02:04:54.851 After the matter was elevated to the corporate headquarters in 02:04:56.257 --> 02:04:58.528 new jersey, I received a call after representing them on other 02:04:59.760 --> 02:05:02.662 land use matters and asked to get my hand around this issue 02:05:04.965 --> 02:05:06.965 and help them navigate 02:05:07.237 --> 02:05:09.600 throughout the process. I have been brought up to speed 02:05:09.869 --> 02:05:11.869 in a short time. 02:05:12.204 --> 02:05:14.974 Since that time, we have made changes in terms of the 02:05:16.846 --> 02:05:19.643 management team and feel we have a good group of people now in 02:05:21.882 --> 02:05:23.882 place and new area manager, a 02:05:24.815 --> 02:05:26.815 regional manager and corporate 02:05:26.819 --> 02:05:29.187 council out of the new jersey office. 02:05:29.450 --> 02:05:31.450 I have reviewed with each of 02:05:32.659 --> 02:05:35.288 them the conditions that are posed with part of the application. 02:05:36.160 --> 02:05:37.693 We have no issues complying with them. 02:05:40.230 --> 02:05:42.230 It is a matterover educating the 02:05:43.167 --> 02:05:45.837 individuals that are responsible and the management team and 02:05:46.539 --> 02:05:48.308 corporate is involved with the conditions and what they mean 02:05:49.440 --> 02:05:51.875 and the implications of noncompliance and how to make 02:05:52.712 --> 02:05:54.712 sure that is not the issue. 02:05:54.810 --> 02:05:56.810 We did also have a meeting a few 02:05:57.149 --> 02:05:59.149 weeks ago with the residents and 02:06:00.153 --> 02:06:02.551 that give a better of understanding of their issues. 02:06:04.222 --> 02:06:06.855 i have gone to site and driven around to get the visual and 02:06:09.591 --> 02:06:11.591 conveyed that back to the 02:06:12.195 --> 02:06:15.125 corporate office. We have made a great effort in 02:06:15.300 --> 02:06:17.300 trying to implement the 02:06:17.329 --> 02:06:18.667 conditions prior to today's hearing. 02:06:20.670 --> 02:06:21.503 The parking management plan is working very well. 02:06:22.367 --> 02:06:24.367 In addition to the parking 02:06:25.507 --> 02:06:27.507 management plan, the new area 02:06:29.114 --> 02:06:31.114 manager has actually worked to 02:06:32.243 --> 02:06:34.414 reduce the inventory to give up opportunities to ensure to 02:06:35.751 --> 02:06:37.751 remain in compliance at the 02:06:40.322 --> 02:06:42.455 lindsay dealership. Mr. O'brien is here from hertz 02:06:43.191 --> 02:06:45.592 and he's the area manager and here to answer any questions 02:06:46.600 --> 02:06:48.600 that you have. 02:06:48.294 --> 02:06:50.294 About the application, we 02:06:50.395 --> 02:06:52.395 understand it is not your 02:06:53.901 --> 02:06:55.901 process to review in six months. 02:07:00.305 --> 02:07:01.543 I am in contact with Miss Horitz. 02:07:04.600 --> 02:07:06.600 This has the attention of the 02:07:06.712 --> 02:07:08.545 corporate office and they are happy to be in alexandria and 02:07:09.114 --> 02:07:11.114 want to comply with the 02:07:12.353 --> 02:07:14.353 conditions imposed. 02:07:15.186 --> 02:07:17.186 Mr. Lindsay is here, he's had 02:07:18.160 --> 02:07:20.258 very productive meetings with the staff as well. 02:07:24.830 --> 02:07:27.198 He's here as well. >> thank you. 02:07:31.636 --> 02:07:33.739 We have one Mr. Speaker. >> hello. 02:07:35.539 --> 02:07:38.111 I'm john, the area manager for hertz and I'm here just to help 02:07:39.110 --> 02:07:41.800 answer the questions. >> all right. 02:07:42.314 --> 02:07:44.314 Someone from the lindsay family, 02:08:00.963 --> 02:08:02.963 if they so choose to speak. 02:08:05.200 --> 02:08:07.200 >> I filled out the form, I just 02:08:09.405 --> 02:08:11.938 didn't turn it. How much time do I have? 02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:17.800 >> three minutes. 02:08:17.213 --> 02:08:19.213 You don't have to use it all. 02:08:20.878 --> 02:08:22.878 >> I came just to answer the 02:08:25.188 --> 02:08:27.188 questions then to make a speech. 02:08:28.619 --> 02:08:30.619 So perhaps I will do that way. 02:08:37.332 --> 02:08:39.264 I called my dad, in 1949, there was one cadillac dealership and 02:08:41.398 --> 02:08:44.271 that was downtown, near the white house. And general motors in detroit 02:08:45.608 --> 02:08:47.608 looked at this area and saw a 02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:50.710 city growing, and they thought it would be very appropriate to 02:08:55.982 --> 02:08:58.510 put a second cadillac dealership in alexandria. 02:08:59.112 --> 02:09:01.112 There's a lot of other great 02:09:01.689 --> 02:09:03.689 reasons why they moved here. 02:09:06.240 --> 02:09:08.692 And in that 70 years, a lot of residents and citizens have 02:09:10.960 --> 02:09:12.960 figured that out as well, and a 02:09:14.232 --> 02:09:16.320 lot of people have moved into this great city. 02:09:17.635 --> 02:09:18.837 It is a great place to work and live. 02:09:22.237 --> 02:09:24.237 But when we showed up, my 02:09:24.478 --> 02:09:26.478 grandfather he didn't own the 02:09:26.644 --> 02:09:28.475 store, he just worked there in 1949. 02:09:31.150 --> 02:09:33.150 He was owned by Mr. Acres and he 02:09:33.617 --> 02:09:35.190 opened a cadillac and olds agency. 02:09:36.652 --> 02:09:37.887 It was greeted with incredible fanfare. 02:09:39.554 --> 02:09:42.392 There was news trucks, hundreds, maybe a thousand people there at 02:09:43.328 --> 02:09:45.328 the ribbon cutting. 02:09:45.994 --> 02:09:47.994 There's a greyhound bus station 02:09:48.696 --> 02:09:50.696 across the street. 02:09:50.933 --> 02:09:52.933 Acres olds and cadillac and 02:09:59.608 --> 02:10:01.144 today the blessed sack rement school. 02:10:02.577 --> 02:10:05.512 The foal le across the street owned what is today blessed 02:10:07.284 --> 02:10:09.284 school, raised ponies and on 02:10:09.685 --> 02:10:12.557 saturdays, I think and sundays too, children could go there and 02:10:13.191 --> 02:10:15.191 get a ride. 02:10:18.595 --> 02:10:20.595 A lot has changed. 02:10:21.764 --> 02:10:23.764 One of the and perhaps 02:10:25.429 --> 02:10:27.429 you all don't understand this, I 02:10:27.634 --> 02:10:29.634 understand perhaps nobody wants 02:10:29.834 --> 02:10:31.171 a car dealership in neighborhood. 02:10:33.207 --> 02:10:34.469 i gthat. I wish it wasn't that way. 02:10:41.412 --> 02:10:43.412 In a lot of jury jurisdictions 02:10:46.319 --> 02:10:48.889 car dealerships are given tax credits. Last year the business tax we 02:10:50.623 --> 02:10:52.623 sent in a check to the city of 02:10:54.228 --> 02:10:56.228 alexandria for nearly $700,000. 02:10:58.901 --> 02:11:00.901 On top of the $500,000 dollars 02:11:02.870 --> 02:11:05.704 in personal property taxes. The district, the division of 02:11:08.390 --> 02:11:10.472 motor vehicle charges 4% on every car sale. 02:11:13.746 --> 02:11:15.770 And so last year we did $170 million. 02:11:17.130 --> 02:11:19.130 This is just on the -- 02:11:20.117 --> 02:11:22.117 >> go ahead. 02:11:22.319 --> 02:11:24.553 >> 1% filters back to the jurisdiction from where the car 02:11:24.553 --> 02:11:26.553 was sold. 02:11:28.389 --> 02:11:30.610 I don't know what that number is. 02:11:32.270 --> 02:11:34.270 I don't know how that gets back 02:11:36.428 --> 02:11:38.399 to city, I will guess $1.7 million. 02:11:40.240 --> 02:11:43.660 So we are, I will come back up and answer the questions, I 02:11:48.575 --> 02:11:49.780 thought I would prefix it with that. 02:11:50.778 --> 02:11:52.778 If we didn't have the citizens 02:11:55.490 --> 02:11:57.490 around us, we wouldn't sell cars 02:11:59.550 --> 02:12:01.550 and I need to be a good number. 02:12:03.790 --> 02:12:05.790 If a citizen has, if they are ir 02:12:08.970 --> 02:12:10.970 irritated by something, they 02:12:10.163 --> 02:12:12.163 call you folks. 02:12:12.333 --> 02:12:14.767 And your jobs are hard enough. I get that. 02:12:15.902 --> 02:12:18.774 We set up a phone tree with email list and if someone has an 02:12:19.341 --> 02:12:21.344 issue, they can call one of my managers right away. 02:12:23.412 --> 02:12:26.750 We used to have that and I guess things slipped through the 02:12:26.849 --> 02:12:28.849 cracks, people have moved and 02:12:29.283 --> 02:12:31.283 people have moved in and somehow 02:12:31.319 --> 02:12:33.985 along the line that has gotten lost in the shuffle. 02:12:37.727 --> 02:12:40.424 You guys shouldn't get a call. And we have never done this, we 02:12:42.328 --> 02:12:44.328 are going to have a block party 02:12:44.532 --> 02:12:46.800 when the weather gets better and we are going to invite the 02:12:48.402 --> 02:12:50.402 people in kings gate and north 02:12:51.102 --> 02:12:53.638 ridge and we have 3 renters across the street and invite 02:12:55.102 --> 02:12:57.775 them over and give faces to a name. That's it. 02:13:01.417 --> 02:13:02.645 There is my little prefix speech. 02:13:04.984 --> 02:13:06.984 How do you want to do this? 02:13:07.888 --> 02:13:09.888 >> there May be questions from 02:13:09.924 --> 02:13:11.924 us and the staff. 02:13:13.156 --> 02:13:15.156 If so, we'll call on you. 02:13:16.563 --> 02:13:18.563 >> this is about hertz. 02:13:20.733 --> 02:13:22.733 But it became about the 02:13:23.330 --> 02:13:25.330 lindsay's and I'm glad to be 02:13:25.638 --> 02:13:26.837 involved in and learning this stuff. 02:13:28.606 --> 02:13:31.376 That is why I'm here. >> before you leave the mic, 02:13:33.943 --> 02:13:35.542 state your name for the record purposes. 02:13:36.211 --> 02:13:38.211 >> I gave my sheet. 02:13:39.448 --> 02:13:42.419 I'm michael lined dsay and 02:13:44.690 --> 02:13:46.419 President Of the lindsay auto motive group. 02:13:47.200 --> 02:13:49.289 >> I move that the public hearing be closed. 02:13:50.258 --> 02:13:53.194 I want to be recognized. >> are you making a motion as well? 02:13:53.927 --> 02:13:56.331 >> a motion and second to close the public hearing. 02:13:56.733 --> 02:13:58.168 All in favor? Opposed? 02:13:59.734 --> 02:14:01.734 Ayes have it. 02:14:02.873 --> 02:14:05.571 >> I really represent what Mr. Mr. 02:14:06.940 --> 02:14:08.940 Mr. Lindsay has said. 02:14:11.415 --> 02:14:13.415 He's a great neighbor and it is 02:14:15.616 --> 02:14:17.420 remarkable how their complex intermingled with the shopping 02:14:19.880 --> 02:14:21.325 and the residents of the area. They have been a good corporate 02:14:21.325 --> 02:14:23.325 citizen. 02:14:24.161 --> 02:14:26.761 But in the past year and a half by council aide has been going 02:14:28.396 --> 02:14:31.165 to meetings and phone calls and exchanges with the residents, 02:14:31.165 --> 02:14:33.165 especially on peach street and 02:14:33.732 --> 02:14:35.732 the city staff, in particular 02:14:36.537 --> 02:14:39.439 with the parking, about the illegal parking, especially on 02:14:41.640 --> 02:14:43.640 peach street, this had to deal 02:14:45.141 --> 02:14:47.141 with enterprise rental cars, as 02:14:49.748 --> 02:14:52.382 well as lindsay employee parking. Yes, we have seen in the staff 02:14:53.651 --> 02:14:55.651 report about the planning and 02:14:56.455 --> 02:14:58.455 zoning identifying illegal 02:14:58.590 --> 02:15:00.590 parking, but there were as I 02:15:02.395 --> 02:15:04.395 understand it, and I appreciate 02:15:07.365 --> 02:15:10.168 if parking enforcement could be respond to this, blocking fire 02:15:14.406 --> 02:15:16.406 lanes and dozens and dozens of 02:15:16.705 --> 02:15:18.705 tickets for illegal tickets and 02:15:21.346 --> 02:15:24.147 on the edge of hitting the $50 threshold. 02:15:26.446 --> 02:15:28.446 First of all, can anybody tell 02:15:30.818 --> 02:15:33.286 me the number or parking tickets? 02:15:33.323 --> 02:15:35.292 I would appreciate any information that you can help to 02:15:37.456 --> 02:15:39.760 share with us on this. >> captain here. 02:15:44.500 --> 02:15:45.769 I'm the commander of the traffic division. 02:15:47.334 --> 02:15:49.334 I was notified with short notice 02:15:49.673 --> 02:15:51.673 about this, and I don't have the 02:15:52.474 --> 02:15:55.110 actual numbers about the tickets written up there. 02:15:56.111 --> 02:15:58.111 I don't know the threshold thing 02:15:59.314 --> 02:16:00.547 sounds to me about a special use permit. 02:16:03.185 --> 02:16:05.185 That is not parking tickets. 02:16:05.321 --> 02:16:07.321 I do know that my parking 02:16:07.521 --> 02:16:10.122 officers are working proactively up there and we have received a 02:16:15.640 --> 02:16:17.932 number of complaints for parking but will tell you from the 02:16:22.531 --> 02:16:24.531 research I was able to do this 02:16:26.104 --> 02:16:28.104 morning a majority of the 02:16:29.143 --> 02:16:31.643 complaints are or two of the residents, but that 02:16:34.212 --> 02:16:35.514 doesn't negate the come complaints. 02:16:38.988 --> 02:16:41.352 That doesn't mean there is not a complaint to be had. 02:16:41.785 --> 02:16:43.785 I can't provide you with the 02:16:44.240 --> 02:16:45.325 actual number of tickets written. 02:16:47.689 --> 02:16:49.793 But they do -- >> numerous? 02:16:50.997 --> 02:16:53.166 >> I assume, yes. They have been called out there 02:16:53.332 --> 02:16:55.332 a number of times. 02:16:58.870 --> 02:17:00.870 >> can you talk about your role 02:17:01.567 --> 02:17:03.240 in this. >> yes. 02:17:05.274 --> 02:17:07.274 What councilmember said about 02:17:08.112 --> 02:17:10.112 500 threshold is correct. 02:17:10.982 --> 02:17:13.818 We have issued a violations several times both with the car 02:17:16.510 --> 02:17:18.789 rental agencies as well as lindsay regarding parking issues 02:17:22.323 --> 02:17:24.323 on the streets and that is 02:17:26.980 --> 02:17:28.980 partially what escalated to 02:17:28.865 --> 02:17:30.865 getting hertz hurt and having a 02:17:31.134 --> 02:17:33.134 number of the meetings that we 02:17:34.636 --> 02:17:36.636 have had with the lindsay group. 02:17:36.739 --> 02:17:38.739 The next ticket issued to the 02:17:40.377 --> 02:17:42.377 lindsay group is a $500 ticket, 02:17:42.579 --> 02:17:44.579 that is the third violation and 02:17:44.948 --> 02:17:46.948 that is a severe violation. 02:17:47.718 --> 02:17:49.185 >> violation of the sup? >> yes. 02:17:51.650 --> 02:17:53.650 >> he's a member of the zoning 02:17:54.856 --> 02:17:56.322 enforcement staff and reports to alex. 02:17:57.658 --> 02:17:59.658 >> it is unfortunate we don't 02:18:00.162 --> 02:18:02.162 have the numbers on the parking 02:18:04.667 --> 02:18:06.667 enforcement or the tickets, but 02:18:06.934 --> 02:18:08.934 I understand they were numerous. 02:18:09.504 --> 02:18:11.504 >> as far as the numbers though, 02:18:12.840 --> 02:18:14.840 one thing I would say is that we 02:18:17.112 --> 02:18:20.110 do a lot of ticketing everywhere, and that area has 02:18:21.182 --> 02:18:23.182 reached a certain level of 02:18:23.382 --> 02:18:26.160 critical mass because of the businesses and more residential 02:18:27.522 --> 02:18:29.522 and school is in session and you 02:18:31.324 --> 02:18:33.324 have school parking there as 02:18:33.561 --> 02:18:35.561 well, it is hard to ascertain 02:18:36.526 --> 02:18:38.526 who the vie latters are. 02:18:41.400 --> 02:18:43.703 I couldn't say it is all because of this. 02:18:45.380 --> 02:18:47.380 >> I appreciate that recently 02:18:47.839 --> 02:18:50.174 the cam complaints are reduced and that the park management 02:18:51.678 --> 02:18:53.678 plan seems like a good one. 02:18:54.512 --> 02:18:55.746 And that we have this six month review. 02:18:57.800 --> 02:18:59.800 These are all reassuring. 02:19:00.185 --> 02:19:02.120 And I also regret that there wasn't more direct communication 02:19:05.257 --> 02:19:06.856 between the residents and lindsay. 02:19:09.323 --> 02:19:11.724 And it took this process to restore this communication, and 02:19:13.360 --> 02:19:15.360 that is great. 02:19:15.432 --> 02:19:17.432 And lindsay has a point of 02:19:18.537 --> 02:19:20.270 contact and you have the email list. 02:19:20.637 --> 02:19:22.637 It is too bad this didn't happen 02:19:23.708 --> 02:19:25.708 a couple of years ago. 02:19:27.642 --> 02:19:29.642 But it is just a very long and 02:19:30.548 --> 02:19:32.548 painful process and sometimes it 02:19:33.347 --> 02:19:34.784 didn't seem how we would resolve it. 02:19:36.180 --> 02:19:38.180 I'm glad with this sup, now it 02:19:39.653 --> 02:19:41.653 is looking like we can have a 02:19:41.889 --> 02:19:44.295 resolution and I hope to attend the block party. 02:19:44.295 --> 02:19:46.127 Thanks. >> Mr. Mayor? 02:19:48.831 --> 02:19:51.562 It is a clever idea to have a block party so people can 02:19:55.705 --> 02:19:57.200 actually put a face to the corporation. 02:19:59.310 --> 02:20:01.310 I think that makes good sense. 02:20:01.573 --> 02:20:03.408 So invite us all. >> all right, thank you. 02:20:03.913 --> 02:20:06.714 Motion on the floor? Mr. Wilson? 02:20:07.648 --> 02:20:10.216 >> if I can, we have used a condition that requires the 02:20:15.192 --> 02:20:16.757 designation of the leahson to the community. 02:20:19.154 --> 02:20:21.154 I appreciate the willing toness 02:20:21.595 --> 02:20:23.595 to designate that and in that 02:20:27.869 --> 02:20:30.137 way, notety -- notify the staff of that person. 02:20:32.341 --> 02:20:34.341 I guess my suggestion would be 02:20:35.274 --> 02:20:37.274 that we include a condition that 02:20:39.460 --> 02:20:41.460 asks for a designation of a 02:20:43.116 --> 02:20:45.949 community liaeson. >> we need a motion. 02:20:48.155 --> 02:20:50.155 i will make that motion to 02:20:51.558 --> 02:20:53.957 approve this with the condition that Mr. Wilson. 02:20:54.640 --> 02:20:55.857 >> a second? >> second. 02:20:56.128 --> 02:20:58.128 A motion and second. 02:20:59.733 --> 02:21:01.733 Mr. Mayor, one more thing, I 02:21:02.669 --> 02:21:05.502 don't recall receiving a copy of this agreement. It is attached. 02:21:08.406 --> 02:21:10.350 It is part of the -- no, we got it yesterday. 02:21:13.380 --> 02:21:15.675 >> it was an email describing -- >> oh. 02:21:17.490 --> 02:21:18.247 >> service submitted through the clerk. 02:21:19.616 --> 02:21:20.912 We have a motion and second. Discussion? 02:21:24.510 --> 02:21:26.354 All in favor? Opposed. 02:21:27.527 --> 02:21:29.527 Ayes it. 02:21:29.928 --> 02:21:32.928 Congratulations. Certainly for hertz and the 02:21:34.593 --> 02:21:36.593 lindsay group. 02:21:37.633 --> 02:21:39.600 They have beeess folks in the city for many, many 02:21:42.272 --> 02:21:44.272 years and continue to be good 02:21:49.545 --> 02:21:51.545 neighbors and being in compliance. 8 14-3806 subdivision 02:21:51.577 --> 02:21:53.500 #2014-0017. Rezoning #2014-0014. 02:21:54.750 --> 02:21:56.750 Special use permit #2014-0125. 02:21:58.354 --> 02:22:00.354 1101 janney's lane-douglas 02:22:00.952 --> 02:22:02.952 macarthur school. 02:22:03.240 --> 02:22:04.490 Public hearing and consideration of requests for: a) A 02:22:05.910 --> 02:22:07.159 subdivision to re-subdivide existing parcels; b) An 02:22:07.733 --> 02:22:10.131 amendment to the official zoning map to change the zone from r-12/residential single-family 02:22:11.901 --> 02:22:14.430 to r-8/residential single-family, and c) An 02:22:15.200 --> 02:22:17.568 amendment to previously approved special use permit #2013-0095 to 02:22:21.107 --> 02:22:22.611 relocate a classroom trailer; zoned r-12/residential 02:22:24.376 --> 02:22:26.910 single-family. Planning commission action: 02:22:26.946 --> 02:22:28.946 approved subdivision: 6-0; 02:22:29.111 --> 02:22:31.111 recommended approval of rezoning 02:22:32.250 --> 02:22:34.654 and special use permit 6-0. >> all right. Staff? >> okay. 02:22:34.654 --> 02:22:37.124 Thank you. This is alex. 02:22:39.390 --> 02:22:41.390 Division chief for land use for 02:22:42.620 --> 02:22:43.792 the department of planning and zoning. 02:22:44.528 --> 02:22:46.528 There are a numberover 02:22:47.202 --> 02:22:49.202 components this, one major task. 02:22:49.936 --> 02:22:51.936 The Mcarthur school intends to 02:22:52.371 --> 02:22:54.704 add a portable classroom, a temporary classroom, called a 02:22:55.710 --> 02:22:57.710 learning cottage to the portion 02:22:58.906 --> 02:23:00.105 of the zoned public open space. 02:23:03.500 --> 02:23:05.950 That it turns out, also, we discovered that a portion of the 02:23:08.384 --> 02:23:10.384 campus building actually is in 02:23:11.323 --> 02:23:13.323 land zoned public open space. 02:23:13.489 --> 02:23:15.489 That doesn't allow schools by 02:23:16.329 --> 02:23:17.563 right or classrooms of this nature. 02:23:19.228 --> 02:23:21.228 As a work around to fix the 02:23:21.529 --> 02:23:23.365 problem for the school, as well as something that can open 02:23:23.631 --> 02:23:25.631 opportunities for additional 02:23:25.864 --> 02:23:27.864 work at the school later in the 02:23:28.938 --> 02:23:30.938 future, we propose a lot line 02:23:30.939 --> 02:23:32.939 adjustment, it is a subdivision 02:23:33.800 --> 02:23:35.800 z and swapping 20,000 square 02:23:35.130 --> 02:23:37.130 feet of land between the school 02:23:41.117 --> 02:23:43.920 and park, forrest park, as well accommodate the classroom. 02:23:44.540 --> 02:23:46.540 This slide illustrates the 02:23:46.222 --> 02:23:49.186 existing conditions. The large portion, the upper 02:23:49.987 --> 02:23:51.987 portion of the slide, to the 02:23:53.329 --> 02:23:55.931 right, shows forest park, the rear portion of the park and a 02:23:57.599 --> 02:24:00.367 lot line that crosses through a portion of the campus building, 02:24:00.734 --> 02:24:02.734 the classroom building at 02:24:05.743 --> 02:24:07.710 Mcarthur school and the Mcarthur school's lot. 02:24:09.744 --> 02:24:11.744 The square footage allows for a 02:24:12.244 --> 02:24:14.747 change to the square footage or the lot line between these two. 02:24:15.114 --> 02:24:17.114 You are seeing that. 02:24:17.348 --> 02:24:19.348 This image you are see the 02:24:19.621 --> 02:24:21.621 campus and the lot line in red. 02:24:22.821 --> 02:24:24.821 And then the yellow line shows 02:24:30.294 --> 02:24:32.294 where the fence and what is 02:24:36.200 --> 02:24:38.200 perceived to be the campus line. 02:24:39.701 --> 02:24:42.390 What we are -- this is location where the portable classroo 02:24:43.211 --> 02:24:45.211 building would go. 02:24:45.846 --> 02:24:48.479 Which is actually basically in the this area of the campus. 02:24:49.113 --> 02:24:51.113 It is a good location. 02:24:51.746 --> 02:24:53.746 No trees. 02:24:54.689 --> 02:24:56.689 No play areas interfered with. 02:24:57.621 --> 02:24:58.889 It is next to the classroom building. 02:25:01.292 --> 02:25:03.292 It is a very ideal location. 02:25:03.460 --> 02:25:04.797 We have considered alternative locations. 02:25:06.929 --> 02:25:09.164 This is a depiction of what the change would be. 02:25:10.300 --> 02:25:12.300 About 20,000 square feet would 02:25:12.469 --> 02:25:14.469 be transferred from the play 02:25:14.572 --> 02:25:16.572 area of the school campus over 02:25:17.103 --> 02:25:18.774 to the open space zoning, which is fairly common. 02:25:20.810 --> 02:25:22.810 Many of the school play areas 02:25:23.812 --> 02:25:26.351 are open space zoning and shared as dual use school playground 02:25:26.351 --> 02:25:28.351 park areas. 02:25:29.420 --> 02:25:32.150 And the portion of the school campus where the 02:25:32.150 --> 02:25:34.822 buildings are would be transferred to the school's lot. 02:25:36.160 --> 02:25:38.160 The other thing that is an 02:25:40.129 --> 02:25:42.129 interesting factor, the school 02:25:46.469 --> 02:25:48.469 is in the zone r-12, as such, 02:25:50.640 --> 02:25:52.640 there is a floor maximum 02:25:53.110 --> 02:25:54.808 exceeded if the building would be on one whole lot. 02:25:56.677 --> 02:25:58.677 Based on the zoning map and the 02:25:59.575 --> 02:26:01.575 master plan, we looked at the 02:26:01.817 --> 02:26:03.817 solutions for that. 02:26:04.652 --> 02:26:06.652 Next to the campus building, to 02:26:09.890 --> 02:26:11.890 the east of it, it is zoned r-8. 02:26:11.993 --> 02:26:13.993 I'm sorry, this is actually 02:26:15.895 --> 02:26:17.895 zoned r-8, no I'm sorry, r-12. 02:26:18.460 --> 02:26:20.460 This is early for me. 02:26:22.669 --> 02:26:24.669 By converting the r-12 land to 02:26:25.350 --> 02:26:27.350 r-8 zoning, which would still go 02:26:27.471 --> 02:26:30.274 along nicely with the master plan, we enable the school's 02:26:33.514 --> 02:26:35.514 building to comply with far, 02:26:36.681 --> 02:26:38.681 have maybe a small additional 02:26:39.552 --> 02:26:41.552 cushion for a small addition, 02:26:43.122 --> 02:26:45.122 and be fully compliant. 02:26:45.325 --> 02:26:47.325 Again, it is just an adjustment 02:26:53.198 --> 02:26:54.396 for the lot line for r-8 as well. 02:26:55.401 --> 02:26:57.401 We recommend the project. 02:26:57.498 --> 02:26:59.498 It is multiple steps but it is 02:27:00.500 --> 02:27:02.500 addressing an important or a 02:27:02.720 --> 02:27:04.720 challenging technicality in the 02:27:05.712 --> 02:27:07.712 way this school campus has been 02:27:10.170 --> 02:27:12.170 configured for many, many years. 02:27:12.115 --> 02:27:14.686 I assume it never cause add problem to be addressed and now 02:27:16.756 --> 02:27:18.756 there is a project for the 02:27:19.754 --> 02:27:21.722 school and opening the door to address this problem. 02:27:26.600 --> 02:27:28.996 >> we have one speaker, yeah, one speaker on this item. 02:27:31.631 --> 02:27:33.631 This is long overdue. 02:27:34.106 --> 02:27:36.106 And certainly temperature 02:27:39.873 --> 02:27:41.873 parents, students, fak 02:27:42.712 --> 02:27:44.712 culty and 02:27:45.814 --> 02:27:47.814 those in the area wanting this 02:27:48.681 --> 02:27:50.681 additional classroom space. 02:27:53.689 --> 02:27:55.689 Mr. Levine or chapman? 02:27:57.157 --> 02:27:59.360 >> levine. >> I heard someone trying to 02:27:59.959 --> 02:28:01.959 get my attention. 02:28:03.796 --> 02:28:05.796 >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. 02:28:06.131 --> 02:28:08.131 Staff, do we know of other sites 02:28:08.300 --> 02:28:10.300 like this, and I think we do, so 02:28:10.869 --> 02:28:13.604 to that point, can we, is there the opportunity for us to take 02:28:14.839 --> 02:28:16.839 care of that now, I know that 02:28:20.811 --> 02:28:22.811 the acps is doing modernization 02:28:23.948 --> 02:28:25.948 and but this is helpful 02:28:26.870 --> 02:28:28.870 to look at the issues now and 02:28:28.824 --> 02:28:30.824 when they go through the 02:28:30.919 --> 02:28:32.654 modernization plan we are not held up. 02:28:33.590 --> 02:28:35.590 >> we have identified the zoning 02:28:36.361 --> 02:28:38.361 issues on the parcels with the 02:28:42.730 --> 02:28:44.968 long range education facilities plan and they have identified 02:28:45.367 --> 02:28:47.367 them and identify the solutions 02:28:48.940 --> 02:28:51.741 and we can bring those to you. As the plan is adopted and 02:28:52.745 --> 02:28:54.745 setting in place for the need 02:28:55.811 --> 02:28:58.449 for the following along with either the zoning changes 02:28:59.986 --> 02:29:01.986 or text amendment or what it is 02:29:02.220 --> 02:29:03.520 that would be needed to addres it. 02:29:05.723 --> 02:29:08.210 >> if I could jump in here. This is something that we have 02:29:08.925 --> 02:29:10.925 talked about at the city schools 02:29:11.525 --> 02:29:13.864 and the long range committee for quite some time and we have to 02:29:16.367 --> 02:29:18.899 deal with these issues prior to moving forward on anything. 02:29:23.172 --> 02:29:25.474 In come cases there are holistic canses to fix this city wide. 02:29:26.109 --> 02:29:28.244 The long range committee envisioned bringing in the 02:29:29.710 --> 02:29:32.211 report and the recommendations we would be looking at the 02:29:32.614 --> 02:29:34.614 zoning fixes city wide. 02:29:34.951 --> 02:29:37.170 >> Miss Pepper? >> 02:29:40.421 --> 02:29:43.358 >> [Speaker off mic] >> this one or the one showing 02:29:44.790 --> 02:29:46.790 the campus? 02:29:46.794 --> 02:29:48.794 >> that one. 02:29:49.325 --> 02:29:51.325 No, there must be one other 02:29:51.328 --> 02:29:54.302 showing the land that we are swapping, that we are giving. 02:29:54.365 --> 02:29:56.367 There with go. The dotted line. 02:29:58.390 --> 02:30:00.390 One of the things when I visited 02:30:01.442 --> 02:30:03.442 the site, you are correct that 02:30:06.181 --> 02:30:08.181 the land that we are going to 02:30:08.413 --> 02:30:11.148 put the new unit, that is a perfect place for it. 02:30:13.118 --> 02:30:15.118 No play equipment. 02:30:15.656 --> 02:30:17.656 It will be well sited. 02:30:19.694 --> 02:30:21.694 The land that we are swapping, 02:30:23.525 --> 02:30:25.525 in other words, that is 02:30:26.100 --> 02:30:28.100 northwest corner has play 02:30:28.300 --> 02:30:30.300 equipment on it and looks like 02:30:31.330 --> 02:30:33.330 it is rather expensive play 02:30:33.370 --> 02:30:35.370 equipment that's I believe as I 02:30:37.400 --> 02:30:39.400 was told that it is the 02:30:40.211 --> 02:30:42.211 equipment that the parents put 02:30:42.347 --> 02:30:44.347 together quite a fund raising 02:30:44.849 --> 02:30:46.849 effort to get it, and it is in 02:30:48.985 --> 02:30:50.985 good shape and my concern was 02:30:54.210 --> 02:30:56.210 will that have to be moved. 02:31:00.299 --> 02:31:02.299 I called poor carl who tells me 02:31:02.963 --> 02:31:04.298 that and I will let you give the answer. 02:31:05.670 --> 02:31:07.670 >> the answer is that the the 02:31:08.239 --> 02:31:10.872 play equipment will remain. Yes, they are changing the lot 02:31:13.910 --> 02:31:15.912 line and that is not effecting the play equipment. 02:31:19.510 --> 02:31:20.719 >> so like an easement? >> yes. 02:31:24.500 --> 02:31:26.624 And working with the parks. >> that is good to hear, thank 02:31:26.719 --> 02:31:28.719 you. 02:31:31.590 --> 02:31:33.590 >> we have speaker mary 02:31:34.294 --> 02:31:36.294 catherine gibbs. 02:31:36.761 --> 02:31:38.800 >> good afternoon, I'm going tor brief. 02:31:40.100 --> 02:31:41.397 I'm the past President Of the pta. 02:31:43.200 --> 02:31:45.603 This is the current President At Mcarthur and the parents are 02:31:46.776 --> 02:31:49.311 supporting this and anxious for this to be accomplished. 02:31:50.760 --> 02:31:52.760 We have been waiting a long time 02:32:02.390 --> 02:32:04.390 for this, so long that ethan 02:32:05.258 --> 02:32:06.793 doesn't do there: >> we need a motion. 02:32:07.428 --> 02:32:09.757 >> I move we close the public hearing. An and the motion? 02:32:11.665 --> 02:32:14.640 >> I'm going to move the planning commission's 02:32:14.640 --> 02:32:16.502 recommendation. >> motioned by Miss Pepper to 02:32:17.235 --> 02:32:19.834 close the public hearing and move the recommendation. 02:32:19.834 --> 02:32:21.674 Seconded. Further discussion? 02:32:25.109 --> 02:32:27.109 Hearing none, all in favor? 02:32:30.915 --> 02:32:32.915 Opposed? 02:32:35.652 --> 02:32:37.652 >> that takes us to no. 7. 02:32:43.463 --> 02:32:45.463 >>14-3815 special 02:32:50.598 --> 02:32:53.203 use permit, 4608 and 4610 kenmore avenue, public hearing 02:32:54.606 --> 02:32:56.606 and consideration of a request 02:32:58.776 --> 02:33:00.776 to amend previously approved 02:33:02.713 --> 02:33:04.713 special use permit to expand an 02:33:04.882 --> 02:33:07.820 existing convenience store. >> one speaker. 02:33:10.287 --> 02:33:12.287 >> applicant staff. 02:33:17.261 --> 02:33:19.261 >> 7-eleven requesting for 02:33:20.761 --> 02:33:22.761 expansion of an existing 02:33:23.967 --> 02:33:25.967 convenience store at 4608 and 02:33:27.168 --> 02:33:29.168 4610 kenmore avenue, this is an 02:33:31.207 --> 02:33:33.207 expansion center, and to improve 02:33:35.244 --> 02:33:36.514 the eating features and security features. 02:33:38.115 --> 02:33:40.115 The store will continue to be 02:33:42.886 --> 02:33:44.886 opened 24 hours a day and sale 02:33:46.560 --> 02:33:48.560 alcohol, the provision modified 02:33:51.355 --> 02:33:53.355 to reflect everyday-language, 02:33:54.662 --> 02:33:57.990 and to provide permits for convenience store, that includes 02:33:59.934 --> 02:34:02.833 the installation of high-resolution security cameras 02:34:03.402 --> 02:34:05.402 and improved visibility inside 02:34:05.904 --> 02:34:07.904 and out of the store and a 02:34:17.417 --> 02:34:19.417 signing of no trez -- 02:34:21.787 --> 02:34:24.552 trespassing with the police. Staff recommends approved. 02:34:26.326 --> 02:34:28.326 >> what do you mean by 02:34:29.295 --> 02:34:30.494 modern-day language for the sales. 02:34:33.500 --> 02:34:35.500 >> the main difference from the 02:34:36.336 --> 02:34:38.336 original condition in 2003 was 02:34:39.571 --> 02:34:41.571 included in that special use 02:34:43.542 --> 02:34:45.542 permit, it permitted the sale of 02:34:46.643 --> 02:34:49.616 40 ounce, and our modern-day language prohibits the sale of those. 02:34:51.148 --> 02:34:53.148 >> that's good, and the police 02:34:53.450 --> 02:34:54.648 have checked off on this as well? 02:34:57.487 --> 02:34:59.487 >> they suggested that change 02:34:59.492 --> 02:35:02.389 that is consistent with planning and zoning. 02:35:03.161 --> 02:35:05.495 >> did they raise concerns about sale of alcohol at this site? 02:35:05.895 --> 02:35:07.895 >> no, they didn't. 02:35:08.465 --> 02:35:10.365 >> can we get a motion -- sorry, Mrs. Puskar. 02:35:14.337 --> 02:35:16.337 >> yes, there is no more bunkers 02:35:19.778 --> 02:35:21.778 of bull at 7-eleven, cathy 02:35:22.476 --> 02:35:24.710 puskar on behalf of the applicant. 02:35:26.450 --> 02:35:28.450 7-eleven in the past five years, 02:35:29.549 --> 02:35:31.549 you have had a number of 02:35:33.321 --> 02:35:35.321 renovations of 7-elevens 02:35:35.388 --> 02:35:37.388 throughout the city, if you have 02:35:39.210 --> 02:35:41.426 visited those stores you see how great, and this is the same in 02:35:43.396 --> 02:35:45.863 the plaza and with this new expanded 7-eleven it will make 02:35:47.502 --> 02:35:50.439 it a nicer and higher operating shopping center, thank you. 02:35:51.137 --> 02:35:53.137 >> Mr. Mayor, if no further 02:35:53.972 --> 02:35:55.972 discussion I move to close the 02:35:56.477 --> 02:35:58.180 public hearing and move the planning recommendation. 02:35:59.649 --> 02:36:01.545 >> seconded by Mrs. Pepper. Further discussion? 02:36:01.946 --> 02:36:03.946 >> Mr. Mayor. 02:36:04.451 --> 02:36:06.451 I had some question about the 02:36:06.855 --> 02:36:08.855 amount of posting that they have 02:36:10.520 --> 02:36:12.520 in their window. 02:36:14.327 --> 02:36:16.327 >> can you speak up? 02:36:16.462 --> 02:36:17.763 I can't hear you and sitting next to you. 02:36:18.899 --> 02:36:20.899 >> wow, this is the first time. 02:36:21.169 --> 02:36:22.435 >> no, have been saying it all morning. 02:36:23.403 --> 02:36:25.403 >> Mrs. Puskar I am concerned 02:36:26.872 --> 02:36:28.872 about all the signs, have they 02:36:29.845 --> 02:36:31.843 blocked the window at the present facility and I think 02:36:32.611 --> 02:36:35.411 they have new rules where there is only a certain amount of 02:36:35.580 --> 02:36:36.781 signs they would be able to have. 02:36:38.830 --> 02:36:40.830 >> that is correct, if you look 02:36:40.718 --> 02:36:42.718 at condition 18, it will prevent 02:36:43.919 --> 02:36:46.290 them from covering those windows with more than 20% signage in 02:36:47.326 --> 02:36:50.222 that window area. With the new expansion that 02:36:50.596 --> 02:36:52.596 should be addressed. 02:36:52.630 --> 02:36:54.630 >> I think it will work with the 02:36:54.862 --> 02:36:56.862 new expansion, because they have 02:36:58.897 --> 02:37:00.897 windows from top to bottom. 02:37:01.404 --> 02:37:03.942 Whereas the old, what they have currently, they have windows 02:37:05.908 --> 02:37:07.908 that only -- I mean they have a 02:37:08.800 --> 02:37:10.813 face that blocks any kind of window, and the window spaces 02:37:17.756 --> 02:37:20.418 from top to about halfway down. So if they have 20%, they will 02:37:21.993 --> 02:37:24.395 do a lot of blocking. I guess here's my concern, i 02:37:25.220 --> 02:37:27.631 would like people to see in and out. >> that's the goal of the rules, 02:37:30.799 --> 02:37:32.799 and 20% applies across the city. 02:37:33.366 --> 02:37:35.467 >> but I don't see it right now at the existing facility. 02:37:37.609 --> 02:37:39.609 >> okay, you are saying they 02:37:41.811 --> 02:37:43.777 have a lot of signage in the window. >> right. 02:37:45.746 --> 02:37:48.680 >> we will take a look at that. >> that is more than 20%. 02:37:50.720 --> 02:37:53.552 >> a new condition, currently they are not under this, they don't have 02:37:53.985 --> 02:37:55.723 to adhere to this condition but now will. 02:37:56.122 --> 02:37:58.357 >> that's fine, that was the only thing I had. 02:37:58.728 --> 02:38:00.728 I was interested in the fact 02:38:02.727 --> 02:38:05.498 that they have 1300 people a day at this small facility? 02:38:06.734 --> 02:38:09.990 I almost believe it because I can see people coming in and 02:38:10.339 --> 02:38:12.339 going out and I thought well, 02:38:12.641 --> 02:38:14.641 you just hang in there long 02:38:16.740 --> 02:38:18.740 enough and that is 1300. 02:38:18.175 --> 02:38:20.613 >> a motion and second. Mr. Chapman. 02:38:23.684 --> 02:38:26.317 >> I have a quick question for staff, condition 21, and that is 02:38:26.816 --> 02:38:28.984 stricken out and the folks on the premises, what is the 02:38:28.984 --> 02:38:31.589 reason? >> we spoke to the police 02:38:33.558 --> 02:38:35.558 department, I have never seen a 02:38:43.935 --> 02:38:45.935 condition inn -- inn application 02:38:47.569 --> 02:38:49.569 dictates the number of cameras 02:38:49.638 --> 02:38:51.638 and the police chief agreed that 02:38:52.810 --> 02:38:55.312 condition could be removed. >> and they were alternative 02:38:58.714 --> 02:39:00.714 security, like in condition 20, 02:39:00.815 --> 02:39:02.815 alternative additional security 02:39:02.816 --> 02:39:05.488 measures put in place instead of condition 21. 02:39:06.723 --> 02:39:09.654 >> that is correct, and consistent with what would did 02:39:11.493 --> 02:39:13.493 on eisenhower avenue, and speaks 02:39:13.665 --> 02:39:15.665 to condition 25, if a problem 02:39:17.968 --> 02:39:20.368 develops we will meet with the city and that could be a 02:39:20.901 --> 02:39:22.901 response to the problem, and 02:39:23.736 --> 02:39:25.736 don't want to dictate how they 02:39:26.142 --> 02:39:27.706 run the business in that is identified. 02:39:29.915 --> 02:39:32.845 >> no further discussion, those in favor, say aye. 02:39:32.945 --> 02:39:34.945 >> aye. 02:39:36.582 --> 02:39:38.582 >> aye's have it, unanimous, 02:39:38.649 --> 02:39:40.649 condition 10. 02:39:43.255 --> 02:39:46.270 >> 14-3811, coordinated development district concept 02:39:49.963 --> 02:39:51.963 plan 2014-0006, development 02:40:05.844 --> 02:40:07.844 sperm use permit 2014-0045, 2460 02:40:16.591 --> 02:40:18.591 mill road, 301 and 315 stovall 02:40:22.260 --> 02:40:24.260 street, &, 312 and 314 taylor 02:40:25.763 --> 02:40:27.763 drive, eisenhower east block 2, 02:40:28.340 --> 02:40:30.340 planning commission action 02:40:30.935 --> 02:40:32.935 recommended approval of 02:40:33.236 --> 02:40:35.236 coordinated development district 02:40:38.574 --> 02:40:40.574 concept plan 2014-0006, 02:40:42.608 --> 02:40:44.608 development special use 02:40:45.647 --> 02:40:46.948 2014-0045 and vacation 2014-0006. 02:40:48.685 --> 02:40:50.685 >> we have one speaker on this, 02:40:51.422 --> 02:40:53.422 the attorney for the applicant 02:40:53.792 --> 02:40:55.792 but before staff speaks, I want 02:40:56.560 --> 02:40:58.560 to make full disclosure that 02:41:00.960 --> 02:41:02.960 past political campaigns and 02:41:06.235 --> 02:41:08.935 current, I have benefited from contributions from the hoffman 02:41:10.370 --> 02:41:12.370 family and related companies, 02:41:12.176 --> 02:41:14.777 but I discussed this with the city attorney yesterday and find 02:41:15.474 --> 02:41:17.474 no reason why I can't 02:41:17.747 --> 02:41:19.747 participate in the discussion. 02:41:20.645 --> 02:41:22.470 And action and voting on this matter. 02:41:22.752 --> 02:41:24.752 Because I have no financial 02:41:24.851 --> 02:41:26.851 interest in the property at all. 02:41:27.885 --> 02:41:29.156 So with that, staff please proceed. 02:41:31.922 --> 02:41:34.826 >> hello, I am trey acers with the department of planning and zoning. 02:41:38.196 --> 02:41:40.196 And today we will revisit the 02:41:41.100 --> 02:41:43.100 design of a project approved 02:41:48.244 --> 02:41:50.244 last year under stage dup-sv, 02:41:50.946 --> 02:41:52.946 allowing alexandria the 02:41:54.779 --> 02:41:56.779 opportunity to have phase 1 02:41:57.553 --> 02:41:59.553 process to secure necessary 02:41:59.617 --> 02:42:01.617 density building, for phase 1 02:42:03.990 --> 02:42:05.990 and phase 2 is site and building 02:42:06.590 --> 02:42:08.590 design, and specifically open 02:42:08.797 --> 02:42:10.797 space and building architecture. 02:42:13.532 --> 02:42:15.532 And a couple of other stages of 02:42:17.368 --> 02:42:19.368 dup before us today to shift 02:42:19.940 --> 02:42:21.940 additional 10 parking spaces 02:42:23.574 --> 02:42:26.544 from block 4 to block 2 to fulfill the requirements for 02:42:27.677 --> 02:42:29.677 vehicle parking on site. 02:42:30.245 --> 02:42:33.217 And there is a vacation application that involves the 02:42:35.753 --> 02:42:37.753 transfer of the land from the 02:42:37.756 --> 02:42:39.756 southeast and southwest corner 02:42:39.921 --> 02:42:41.921 for the building to be 02:42:42.592 --> 02:42:44.592 constructed as proposed. 02:42:45.464 --> 02:42:47.796 And finally a modification to the crown coverage requirements. 02:42:49.231 --> 02:42:51.231 As the council is aware, this is 02:42:51.636 --> 02:42:53.636 a fast-moving project with 02:42:54.102 --> 02:42:56.102 significant budget constraints. 02:42:56.705 --> 02:42:58.705 And moreover since the fall of 02:43:00.107 --> 02:43:02.107 last year several parameters of 02:43:02.476 --> 02:43:04.476 the building design have emerged 02:43:05.148 --> 02:43:07.510 and clearer to us as we move through the process. 02:43:08.749 --> 02:43:10.883 Those affected the site and design layout. 02:43:13.256 --> 02:43:15.256 First to keep the costs down a 02:43:16.424 --> 02:43:18.424 simple building floor plate has 02:43:19.860 --> 02:43:22.797 emerged as the most viable layout option. 02:43:23.834 --> 02:43:25.834 And the security requirements 02:43:27.767 --> 02:43:30.168 have affected the exterior architecture of the building. 02:43:31.373 --> 02:43:33.373 And it's clear that the building 02:43:35.472 --> 02:43:37.472 is to be a market-rate building, 02:43:37.712 --> 02:43:39.712 and for the bid cost approach 02:43:40.814 --> 02:43:43.650 for securing office sites. Consequently both the building 02:43:44.817 --> 02:43:46.817 floor area and height have 02:43:48.821 --> 02:43:51.692 decreased since the stage 1 dup application, but nonetheless the 02:43:53.424 --> 02:43:55.424 site is a business opportunity 02:43:57.358 --> 02:43:59.358 with 31,000 square feet aimed to 02:44:00.501 --> 02:44:03.434 secure the tenant of transportation security information. 02:44:05.504 --> 02:44:08.305 And staff has worked with the applicant to secure the best 02:44:09.874 --> 02:44:11.874 building design possible. 02:44:14.460 --> 02:44:16.183 And consistent with the proposal consistency, there is several 02:44:17.477 --> 02:44:19.477 benefits to the city. 02:44:20.117 --> 02:44:22.117 Such as a significant 02:44:22.852 --> 02:44:24.852 contribution to the affordable 02:44:26.824 --> 02:44:28.824 housing fund, and a mid-sized 02:44:33.640 --> 02:44:35.640 bike station, and a linkage 02:44:39.504 --> 02:44:41.504 along stovall street. 02:44:42.971 --> 02:44:44.971 These benefits fulfill broader 02:44:46.876 --> 02:44:48.876 objectives while making the site 02:44:49.474 --> 02:44:51.474 attracted to a federal tenant. 02:44:52.347 --> 02:44:54.347 The site is featured to attract 02:44:54.883 --> 02:44:56.883 a federal tenant, with access to 02:44:57.118 --> 02:44:59.118 east and west. 02:45:00.825 --> 02:45:02.825 And within two-TENths of a mile 02:45:05.950 --> 02:45:07.950 to the eisenhower metro station. 02:45:08.595 --> 02:45:10.595 That said, despite its good 02:45:11.298 --> 02:45:13.298 location it features access 02:45:13.400 --> 02:45:14.703 constraints, particularly for vehicles. 02:45:16.170 --> 02:45:18.170 The site is flanked on the west 02:45:21.800 --> 02:45:22.243 and northern side by I-45 offramp. 02:45:23.776 --> 02:45:25.776 And on the southern side 02:45:27.749 --> 02:45:29.749 eisenhower avenue is elevated 02:45:31.983 --> 02:45:34.588 just west of stovall street. There are challenges related to 02:45:35.487 --> 02:45:36.690 the vehicular access to this site. 02:45:38.962 --> 02:45:40.962 But given these constraints a 02:45:42.697 --> 02:45:45.594 federal tenant actually suits this site very well. 02:45:48.532 --> 02:45:51.136 Federal tenants have commuting requirements that provide access 02:45:52.939 --> 02:45:54.939 to the site via alternative 02:45:55.809 --> 02:45:57.809 transportation modes. 02:46:00.146 --> 02:46:02.146 Nonetheless the stage 2 dcp 02:46:02.214 --> 02:46:03.549 process approached the vehicle access. 02:46:05.481 --> 02:46:07.481 Specifically the proposal is 02:46:09.790 --> 02:46:11.790 expansion of the 495 off-ramp 02:46:13.224 --> 02:46:15.224 area for taper lane. 02:46:16.295 --> 02:46:18.295 And includes internal queueing 02:46:19.266 --> 02:46:21.266 capacity on site. 02:46:22.735 --> 02:46:24.735 And includes a prohibition of 02:46:30.242 --> 02:46:32.242 left turns. 02:46:32.379 --> 02:46:35.243 And staff agrees with these changes for the access point. 02:46:36.547 --> 02:46:39.180 open space proved to be a challenging issue to solve. 02:46:41.948 --> 02:46:43.948 And with the issues from the 02:46:47.185 --> 02:46:49.390 southeast and stage 2 dhp to the south, it includes new 02:46:49.390 --> 02:46:51.390 opportunities. 02:46:52.860 --> 02:46:54.998 The proposal includes a 4800 square foot area on the 02:46:55.596 --> 02:46:57.596 southeast corner. 02:47:00.334 --> 02:47:02.803 In fulfillment of the west-side gardens open space. 02:47:03.740 --> 02:47:05.740 This is on block 3 that would 02:47:08.344 --> 02:47:10.344 host the rest of the garden's 02:47:11.460 --> 02:47:13.460 open space area. 02:47:16.419 --> 02:47:18.419 And accessible to the seating 02:47:19.553 --> 02:47:21.553 areas and staff believes that 02:47:22.522 --> 02:47:24.522 this will benefit the open space 02:47:24.990 --> 02:47:26.990 for stovall street. 02:47:27.494 --> 02:47:29.494 As noted earlier the project 02:47:29.865 --> 02:47:32.664 involves restricted costs and rigid security requirements and 02:47:33.202 --> 02:47:35.202 limited amount of time. 02:47:37.500 --> 02:47:39.506 About half the amount of time afforded to projects. 02:47:39.840 --> 02:47:41.840 Nonetheless we feel that the 02:47:42.100 --> 02:47:44.609 design produced has been a great effort both on the part of the 02:47:44.843 --> 02:47:47.813 applicant and staff. So staff worked with the 02:47:49.283 --> 02:47:51.283 applicant through the drb 02:47:51.518 --> 02:47:53.518 process and also outside of the 02:47:54.555 --> 02:47:57.458 drb process to incorporate a series of principles in the 02:47:58.927 --> 02:48:00.927 building design. 02:48:02.560 --> 02:48:04.560 You see those listed on the 02:48:07.633 --> 02:48:09.633 screen and this moved from a 02:48:11.501 --> 02:48:13.501 single volume to site with 02:48:13.673 --> 02:48:15.673 distinctive entry way. 02:48:16.173 --> 02:48:18.173 So the result is a bold building 02:48:19.311 --> 02:48:21.977 in a key area of the city where contemporary architecture can be 02:48:24.150 --> 02:48:26.150 explored 02:48:27.981 --> 02:48:29.981 the web pattern energizes the 02:48:30.319 --> 02:48:32.955 hallmark red center piece and creates interest all way from 02:48:33.258 --> 02:48:35.258 the base of the building to the 02:48:37.224 --> 02:48:39.224 top of the building, where there 02:48:43.164 --> 02:48:45.164 is articulated screen masking 02:48:45.668 --> 02:48:47.668 the front house. 02:48:49.700 --> 02:48:51.700 And staff recommends the details 02:48:51.206 --> 02:48:53.206 and the final design based upon 02:48:53.974 --> 02:48:55.974 further staff and drb input. 02:48:56.813 --> 02:48:58.813 However, staff believe that is 02:49:01.348 --> 02:49:03.348 the substantive design 02:49:03.383 --> 02:49:05.383 objectives have been achieved. 02:49:05.488 --> 02:49:07.417 These design objectives were carried forward in the design of 02:49:08.189 --> 02:49:10.189 the parking garage. 02:49:10.421 --> 02:49:12.421 That it will be a pretty 02:49:13.694 --> 02:49:15.694 important structure, it will be 02:49:16.199 --> 02:49:17.962 furtherest west on the eisenhower area. 02:49:22.571 --> 02:49:24.571 And though it sits in a bowl and 02:49:25.371 --> 02:49:27.371 flanked by the I-45 offramp. 02:49:27.708 --> 02:49:30.309 It contains a lot of elements that are also included in the 02:49:31.479 --> 02:49:33.479 main building design. 02:49:34.282 --> 02:49:36.848 It echoes those elements while considering and treating the 02:49:37.715 --> 02:49:40.215 parking deck as a separate and distinct structure. 02:49:42.188 --> 02:49:44.188 As with the main building, staff 02:49:44.619 --> 02:49:47.590 believes that the substantive design objectives have been 02:49:48.126 --> 02:49:50.126 achieved and further design 02:49:50.699 --> 02:49:52.699 details are appropriate. 02:49:53.433 --> 02:49:55.433 On the main building these 02:49:57.499 --> 02:49:59.499 include refinements to the 02:49:59.839 --> 02:50:01.173 lighting scheme and floor heights. 02:50:02.607 --> 02:50:05.510 And the parking garage to include to work natural 02:50:06.643 --> 02:50:09.478 materials into the design of the parking garage. 02:50:11.148 --> 02:50:13.148 With that said, staff 02:50:14.785 --> 02:50:16.785 recommendses 02:50:17.856 --> 02:50:20.290 recommendses recommends recommendses recommends recommendses -- recommends approval of proposal. 02:50:20.290 --> 02:50:22.629 >> we have one speaker. The attorney for the applicant. 02:50:22.629 --> 02:50:24.629 Mr. Wilson. 02:50:25.430 --> 02:50:27.910 >> I was going to have questions for staff. 02:50:27.666 --> 02:50:29.666 But Mrs. Puskar. 02:50:32.131 --> 02:50:34.571 >> Mrs. Puskar you want to speak now? >> whichever you prefer. 02:50:36.735 --> 02:50:38.735 >> you h the mic. 02:50:39.844 --> 02:50:42.713 Thank you, cathy puskar, here on behalf of the applicant. 02:50:44.814 --> 02:50:46.814 Staff has done a great job of 02:50:46.951 --> 02:50:48.951 presenting the project to you, I 02:50:49.155 --> 02:50:51.155 won't go into the details. 02:50:52.249 --> 02:50:54.249 I will echo that this has been 02:50:55.191 --> 02:50:57.191 an accelerated schedule and 02:50:58.493 --> 02:51:00.493 staff has been working to get my 02:51:00.830 --> 02:51:02.830 client, and the hoffmans to get 02:51:03.862 --> 02:51:05.862 us where we are today. 02:51:06.301 --> 02:51:08.301 We anticipate the announcement 02:51:09.300 --> 02:51:11.300 of the gsa decision, we thought 02:51:11.871 --> 02:51:13.871 it would be delayed, and hope to 02:51:14.175 --> 02:51:16.175 have an answer soon. 02:51:16.211 --> 02:51:18.211 Jbg has worked hard to get to 02:51:18.511 --> 02:51:20.511 this point, and with your vote 02:51:20.645 --> 02:51:22.645 of approval today hopefully will 02:51:24.850 --> 02:51:25.918 be one step closer to making it a reality. 02:51:26.852 --> 02:51:29.788 >> that's it? >> yep. 02:51:34.762 --> 02:51:36.762 >> Mr. Smedberg. 02:51:38.531 --> 02:51:40.600 >> want to ask about the lighting, particularly that red 02:51:40.600 --> 02:51:42.600 section there. 02:51:44.700 --> 02:51:46.669 And I am mindful of the pto design that the community fought 02:51:49.140 --> 02:51:51.140 so hard to get the pyramid. 02:51:52.277 --> 02:51:54.881 And it really has become a sort of landmark look of the boxes 02:51:54.881 --> 02:51:56.881 that are there. 02:51:59.818 --> 02:52:02.318 But to me when I looked at this, there would seem to be an 02:52:02.389 --> 02:52:04.389 opportunity because of the way 02:52:05.428 --> 02:52:07.659 that theis, breaking into three structures. Though it's one. 02:52:08.660 --> 02:52:10.660 Is there any plan to light that 02:52:12.366 --> 02:52:14.366 red section or entry way to make 02:52:14.532 --> 02:52:16.532 that a focal point or feature of 02:52:16.968 --> 02:52:18.968 the building itself? 02:52:19.504 --> 02:52:21.801 >> that has been discussed but the final design hasn't reached 02:52:23.910 --> 02:52:25.910 that point yet. 02:52:28.945 --> 02:52:30.945 I will ask if tom canfield has 02:52:31.812 --> 02:52:34.445 anything to provide, the architect. >> yes, we will continue to work 02:52:35.686 --> 02:52:38.486 with the applicant on this. The opportunity here because 02:52:40.230 --> 02:52:42.755 it's a nontraditional building light than throwing light at the 02:52:45.197 --> 02:52:47.197 form, I am thinking to put 02:52:47.264 --> 02:52:49.165 L.E.D.'s in the diagonals themselves. 02:52:51.365 --> 02:52:53.365 Kind of a spider web expression, 02:52:53.838 --> 02:52:56.404 that is so intriguing about it, and something you can see at 02:52:58.337 --> 02:53:00.272 night and the day and with light thrown on the red form. 02:53:02.311 --> 02:53:04.311 >> we will continue to work with 02:53:05.381 --> 02:53:07.381 staff, but as you know the 02:53:08.160 --> 02:53:10.160 council did not give incentives 02:53:11.320 --> 02:53:13.320 to this tenant and we have to be 02:53:13.989 --> 02:53:16.223 mindful to cost to have this selected. 02:53:17.230 --> 02:53:19.880 >> I think somehow lighting that if possible would help. 02:53:19.858 --> 02:53:22.725 >> it's a real opportunity. >> absolutely. 02:53:24.801 --> 02:53:26.801 And talked a little about with 02:53:27.235 --> 02:53:29.834 this staff, I see the dark color there on the left side there in 02:53:29.906 --> 02:53:31.906 the parking garage. 02:53:34.402 --> 02:53:37.770 And I was out in tysons recently and a residential building is 02:53:37.770 --> 02:53:39.770 going up there. 02:53:40.760 --> 02:53:42.760 And they are using actually 02:53:44.816 --> 02:53:46.816 black brick, it's not a flat 02:53:48.200 --> 02:53:50.200 black, it's got grayish, 02:53:50.489 --> 02:53:52.489 whitish, but it's black, but it 02:53:52.524 --> 02:53:55.258 looks, and when I first saw it I wasn't sure what it was and next 02:53:56.494 --> 02:53:57.860 time I saw it they had more of it up. 02:53:59.497 --> 02:54:01.497 And stopped and looked at it and 02:54:01.631 --> 02:54:03.499 it looks terrific, it looks really rich. 02:54:05.336 --> 02:54:07.336 So I never thought I would hear 02:54:08.430 --> 02:54:10.430 myself say this. 02:54:11.876 --> 02:54:13.876 But this is [Laughter] 02:54:16.100 --> 02:54:18.800 They are ecstatic now. >> heart be still. 02:54:18.514 --> 02:54:20.514 >> I think she seconded it. 02:54:24.887 --> 02:54:27.522 >> if we are work -- looking for ways to be used, and visually 02:54:27.522 --> 02:54:30.460 gives something. I want to throw it out there, 02:54:32.263 --> 02:54:34.263 because it really looked good. 02:54:36.562 --> 02:54:37.867 Just wanted to put that on the table. 02:54:39.400 --> 02:54:41.400 But I think this is particularly 02:54:41.503 --> 02:54:43.503 from where the design came from, 02:54:43.670 --> 02:54:45.670 which basically looked like one 02:54:46.740 --> 02:54:48.438 box to where you are now in a short period of time. 02:54:49.713 --> 02:54:51.912 And it's a prominent location, even though slightly down, you 02:54:52.980 --> 02:54:54.980 will be able to see it. 02:54:55.810 --> 02:54:57.810 And having this experimentation 02:54:58.121 --> 02:55:00.121 and doi setting the 02:55:00.656 --> 02:55:03.491 precedent for the rest of east eisenhower I think would really be terrific. 02:55:03.723 --> 02:55:05.723 This is an area that we can do 02:55:07.860 --> 02:55:09.860 that. 02:55:10.930 --> 02:55:12.930 And I had -- also talking to 02:55:12.931 --> 02:55:14.931 staff about this bigger picture. 02:55:15.768 --> 02:55:18.705 When you look at a lot of buildings we are looking at. 02:55:18.973 --> 02:55:21.471 What are the buildings that people will point to in the 02:55:23.209 --> 02:55:26.420 future, 50 or 60 years from now. We need to be able to start 02:55:26.378 --> 02:55:29.149 thinking about that. And not just putting up boxes 02:55:29.815 --> 02:55:31.815 with bricks and windows. 02:55:33.352 --> 02:55:35.352 We really have to start thinking 02:55:35.753 --> 02:55:38.900 about what the buildings the next generation of alexandria 02:55:39.591 --> 02:55:41.591 and the city will be proud of. 02:55:41.795 --> 02:55:44.197 It's great to see this and the different heights and the 02:55:44.197 --> 02:55:46.734 appearance of three different buildings in a sense, I think it 02:55:47.102 --> 02:55:49.102 really looks great. 02:55:50.468 --> 02:55:52.468 >> all right, Mr. Wilson. 02:55:53.236 --> 02:55:55.904 >> Mr. Mayor, thank you, Mr. Mayor, I have two questions 02:55:57.374 --> 02:56:00.246 regarding the conditions that were added, that the planning 02:56:00.313 --> 02:56:02.313 commission added. 02:56:04.915 --> 02:56:07.818 I didn't have the benefit of watching their discussion, I 02:56:08.385 --> 02:56:10.385 hope that staff can enlighten me 02:56:12.955 --> 02:56:14.955 to the purpose of these. 02:56:15.327 --> 02:56:17.327 9-f, condition 9 is applicable 02:56:18.893 --> 02:56:20.893 to the federal tenant and if a 02:56:22.567 --> 02:56:25.700 federal tenant is not selected and the building materials they 02:56:25.503 --> 02:56:27.503 have to go again. 02:56:29.870 --> 02:56:31.171 What is their rationale behind that? 02:56:31.905 --> 02:56:34.810 >> this design has been driven by the accelerated timeline of 02:56:36.845 --> 02:56:38.845 the gsa and the cost constraints 02:56:39.500 --> 02:56:41.950 with the federal process. Because the anticipated, hoped 02:56:44.488 --> 02:56:46.350 for tenant is tsa, there is additional security requirements 02:56:47.225 --> 02:56:49.225 that come with the building. 02:56:50.258 --> 02:56:52.990 That includes set-back and concrete blast requirements. 02:56:53.965 --> 02:56:55.965 And in discussion with the 02:56:57.131 --> 02:56:59.131 applicant those concrete blast 02:57:00.660 --> 02:57:02.971 requirements affect the exterior at the base of building. 02:57:04.604 --> 02:57:06.604 Once you put concrete at the 02:57:09.443 --> 02:57:11.443 base of the building, it becomes 02:57:12.177 --> 02:57:15.147 difficult to carry different materials up, and it's better to 02:57:16.512 --> 02:57:18.512 carry concrete up. 02:57:19.551 --> 02:57:21.551 And condition 9 is tailored if 02:57:23.424 --> 02:57:25.424 this is not the presumed tenant 02:57:25.991 --> 02:57:27.991 there is different design 02:57:28.264 --> 02:57:30.264 possibilities that staff or 02:57:30.662 --> 02:57:32.662 applicant would want to consider 02:57:32.832 --> 02:57:35.535 and why planning sought to include that as a condition. 02:57:36.632 --> 02:57:38.632 >> obviously the applicant 02:57:41.172 --> 02:57:43.172 doesn't have a problem, it seems 02:57:44.377 --> 02:57:47.120 strange to have a design for a federal tenant than another. 02:57:47.980 --> 02:57:49.980 >> Mr. Wilson, we suggested if 02:57:51.248 --> 02:57:53.852 someone came in and willing to build this building approved, 02:57:54.789 --> 02:57:56.889 they should be able to build it and if they want something 02:57:56.889 --> 02:57:58.889 different. 02:57:59.258 --> 02:58:01.920 The process requires us to come back to anyway. 02:58:01.389 --> 02:58:03.389 And that was a condition that 02:58:03.991 --> 02:58:05.991 staff asked for and we agreed 02:58:06.331 --> 02:58:08.830 to, to try to move things forward. >> I think it was important to 02:58:08.998 --> 02:58:10.998 the planning commission, though 02:58:11.429 --> 02:58:14.337 they were proud to vote for this building. They felt there were some 02:58:14.936 --> 02:58:16.936 compromises made to achieve this 02:58:17.742 --> 02:58:20.544 building in this time frame. And if it was a different 02:58:20.878 --> 02:58:22.878 situation they might make a 02:58:25.416 --> 02:58:26.980 different decision on some of these key design features. 02:58:30.348 --> 02:58:33.222 >> I yeah, I have to side if someone is willing to build this 02:58:33.924 --> 02:58:35.924 building, bless them. 02:58:38.261 --> 02:58:40.425 The question on 44-a, what was the intention? 02:58:43.166 --> 02:58:45.166 It says that the applicant shall 02:58:48.866 --> 02:58:50.866 comply with conditions 33-35, is 02:58:55.878 --> 02:58:57.878 this rep -- repetitive? 02:58:58.715 --> 02:59:00.715 >> we wanted to be sure they 02:59:02.682 --> 02:59:04.682 were carried forward from the 02:59:07.253 --> 02:59:09.253 dup, and since they May have a 02:59:10.324 --> 02:59:12.790 differentsponse, May be doing stuff themselves and have a 02:59:13.423 --> 02:59:15.423 different way to meet the car 02:59:18.564 --> 02:59:19.898 pool requirements or van pool requirements. 02:59:21.666 --> 02:59:23.666 And that was done that the 02:59:24.970 --> 02:59:26.970 tenant would still fulfill their 02:59:28.476 --> 02:59:30.476 obligations in stage 1 d-sup. 02:59:33.340 --> 02:59:35.340 >> aren't all carried over? 02:59:39.852 --> 02:59:41.852 >> it's duplicate. 02:59:42.286 --> 02:59:44.286 >> all requirements of stage 1 02:59:45.723 --> 02:59:48.580 and 2 have to be complied with; right? 02:59:49.597 --> 02:59:52.198 >> this is rob kerns of planning and zoning, that is correct, 02:59:52.198 --> 02:59:54.198 they do. 02:59:55.404 --> 02:59:57.702 And it's a repetitive condition for clarity. 02:59:58.667 --> 03:00:00.902 >> I think it was because a member of the plannin 03:00:01.410 --> 03:00:03.410 commission raised the question 03:00:05.611 --> 03:00:07.611 and they hadn't seen the typical 03:00:07.780 --> 03:00:09.209 dmp condition in this application. 03:00:10.281 --> 03:00:12.281 And not everyone is familiar 03:00:14.118 --> 03:00:16.351 with the stage 1, stage 2 d-sup scenario for hoffman. 03:00:17.880 --> 03:00:19.880 So it was an added insurance. 03:00:19.454 --> 03:00:22.159 >> obviously this is a unique situation with stage 1 and stage 03:00:25.964 --> 03:00:28.596 2, but to be clear in everyone's representations that orally 03:00:29.864 --> 03:00:31.864 should jibe with this, stage 1 03:00:31.869 --> 03:00:34.234 and stage 2 have to be complied with fully. >> correct. 03:00:37.804 --> 03:00:39.775 >> yeah, it seems duplicative to me and if everyone is 03:00:41.410 --> 03:00:43.477 comfortable with it and it's the same representation, I guess 03:00:43.579 --> 03:00:45.579 it's okay. 03:00:47.345 --> 03:00:49.486 I am still not thrilled with 9-f and we can discuss whether to 03:00:49.486 --> 03:00:51.520 change that. >> other questions or 03:00:52.217 --> 03:00:54.217 discussion, Mrs. Pepper. 03:00:57.570 --> 03:00:59.725 >> I thought [Inaudible] There was brick in this 03:01:01.632 --> 03:01:03.230 building, is that different from concrete? 03:01:05.620 --> 03:01:07.698 You are talking about concrete. >> yes, ma'am, to my knowledge 03:01:09.200 --> 03:01:11.200 there is not any brick in this 03:01:11.990 --> 03:01:13.990 building on the facade. 03:01:14.811 --> 03:01:17.809 >> well then, what would happen to the black brick if that is 03:01:18.611 --> 03:01:20.611 being suggested down here. 03:01:21.149 --> 03:01:23.282 >> it's not possible for this building, but it May be possible 03:01:23.282 --> 03:01:25.852 for others. >> let me say -- 03:01:26.753 --> 03:01:28.953 >> the parking garage I didn't know -- that's all. 03:01:30.724 --> 03:01:32.724 >> I would like to see what a 03:01:33.524 --> 03:01:35.994 black brick looks like, that would be interesting. 03:01:37.296 --> 03:01:39.296 When paul smedberg recommends 03:01:41.765 --> 03:01:44.603 brick, I really do take note. >> but it's black. 03:01:45.434 --> 03:01:47.434 >> if it's brick, it's a 03:01:48.775 --> 03:01:50.775 revolution in his thinking. 03:01:51.430 --> 03:01:53.174 So -- >> we will definitely search for 03:01:53.174 --> 03:01:54.911 a sample. Let's move on. 03:01:56.979 --> 03:01:58.979 >> no, no, I am still here. 03:01:59.552 --> 03:02:02.319 But I wanted to say I love the design of this building. 03:02:04.485 --> 03:02:07.388 I think it really makes quite a positive statement, it is bold. 03:02:09.394 --> 03:02:11.394 I think has been mentioned. 03:02:11.761 --> 03:02:13.761 and it's very interesting. 03:02:15.495 --> 03:02:18.469 And it will be seen from the beltway. And I think that is our 03:02:20.470 --> 03:02:22.872 statement to anybody who passes by. That alexandria is developing 03:02:23.807 --> 03:02:25.807 just fine, thank you. 03:02:26.876 --> 03:02:28.876 >> can quote Mrs. Pepper that 03:02:30.440 --> 03:02:32.815 she likes a glassy building that isn't brick? 03:02:33.581 --> 03:02:35.581 [Laughter] 03:02:36.586 --> 03:02:38.586 My world is topsy turvy today. 03:02:38.989 --> 03:02:40.187 >> I would like the record to show. 03:02:43.260 --> 03:02:45.260 >> I call the question -- 03:02:45.461 --> 03:02:47.461 >> now I think that this is 03:02:47.627 --> 03:02:50.265 appropriate for where it's being placed. And I do like the statement that 03:02:51.335 --> 03:02:53.335 it makes. 03:02:53.669 --> 03:02:55.669 I love the different colors and 03:02:56.471 --> 03:02:58.471 so forth. 03:02:58.607 --> 03:03:01.542 If you are going to have solid concrete, that can be ugly as 03:03:02.241 --> 03:03:04.508 sin, so how do you make that more attractive? 03:03:06.245 --> 03:03:08.611 >> tom, would you like to speak to that? 03:03:10.750 --> 03:03:12.750 >> s think first of all, 03:03:13.287 --> 03:03:16.230 and none of it is apparent in what you are seeing today. 03:03:17.255 --> 03:03:19.255 But there will be a number of 03:03:19.325 --> 03:03:21.931 different textures on the surface of this concrete. 03:03:23.230 --> 03:03:25.966 There would be reveal, and shadow lines and smooth versus rough areas. 03:03:27.700 --> 03:03:29.700 So you will get a lot of 03:03:30.567 --> 03:03:32.567 richness in the surface similar 03:03:34.409 --> 03:03:36.409 to what paul smedberg talked to 03:03:36.444 --> 03:03:38.444 in the brick. 03:03:39.207 --> 03:03:41.311 And relative to 9-f, and the reason that the planning 03:03:42.249 --> 03:03:45.100 commission wanted it there and I feel it's a good idea. 03:03:46.788 --> 03:03:48.788 This building as tall as it is 03:03:49.421 --> 03:03:50.956 is not built to its maximum available height. 03:03:52.586 --> 03:03:54.586 And we pushed the applicant 03:03:54.759 --> 03:03:56.759 during the process to do more 03:03:58.950 --> 03:04:00.950 with the tops of pre-cast walls 03:04:00.531 --> 03:04:02.531 where they meet the sky. 03:04:04.367 --> 03:04:06.367 Maybe bring them up higher and 03:04:06.803 --> 03:04:08.803 openings like on carlyle peak. 03:04:10.370 --> 03:04:12.370 That is not going to happen with 03:04:13.780 --> 03:04:15.780 tsa, but the reason for 9-f if 03:04:15.111 --> 03:04:17.445 it's a market-rate building there is room for design 03:04:17.715 --> 03:04:19.715 expression in the building in 03:04:19.783 --> 03:04:21.783 the future. 03:04:22.351 --> 03:04:24.483 >> I will still hung up on this concrete business. 03:04:24.955 --> 03:04:26.955 I understand you have to have 03:04:26.957 --> 03:04:28.756 it, because that's the kind of building this is. 03:04:30.993 --> 03:04:32.993 But the devil is in the details. 03:04:32.996 --> 03:04:35.630 And this could be really too many shades of anything, I don't 03:04:35.630 --> 03:04:37.630 know. 03:04:37.100 --> 03:04:39.100 And I wish we had a better 03:04:39.566 --> 03:04:40.967 picture of what you are talking about. 03:04:42.136 --> 03:04:44.136 And I hope this isn't just a 03:04:44.167 --> 03:04:46.167 cheap way of doing things. 03:04:46.440 --> 03:04:48.440 >> let me assure it's not. 03:04:49.312 --> 03:04:51.312 >> too prominent of a site. 03:04:53.147 --> 03:04:55.147 >> the concrete is first a 03:04:55.151 --> 03:04:57.649 reaction to the blast requirements but there is a lot 03:05:00.386 --> 03:05:01.657 of options for the surface treatment. 03:05:03.688 --> 03:05:05.994 And getting back to paul's comment, there are different 03:05:06.160 --> 03:05:08.160 ways to cast brick, we are not 03:05:08.228 --> 03:05:09.965 all the way there with the building. 03:05:10.495 --> 03:05:12.495 It's possible that maybe the 03:05:12.763 --> 03:05:14.763 dark component is executed that 03:05:17.768 --> 03:05:20.739 way where the light component is more of a smooth surface. 03:05:20.908 --> 03:05:23.207 >> and the other question, blasting against what? 03:05:24.576 --> 03:05:26.747 You are expecting an airplane? >> no, federal security 03:05:26.747 --> 03:05:29.683 requirements. And need to emphasize. 03:05:34.352 --> 03:05:36.352 >> any federal sfwhlg-building? 03:05:36.520 --> 03:05:38.723 >> yes, we need to work with staff to get to the final point 03:05:40.161 --> 03:05:42.494 on this building, but we are not suggesting that there is not 03:05:44.429 --> 03:05:46.429 major changes. 03:05:46.960 --> 03:05:48.960 It's a price/cost competition. 03:05:49.935 --> 03:05:52.337 And if we want tsa and staff has pushed us and the design has 03:05:54.371 --> 03:05:55.704 come away. I don't want to give a false 03:05:59.390 --> 03:06:01.390 sense there is added 03:06:01.114 --> 03:06:03.114 embellishment or cost to this 03:06:04.549 --> 03:06:07.500 building, because we want this tenant in alexandria. 03:06:08.783 --> 03:06:10.783 >> we want it to, and let me 03:06:11.622 --> 03:06:13.824 make mention it's an attractive building and development, and 03:06:13.824 --> 03:06:15.824 certainly evolved. 03:06:16.159 --> 03:06:18.159 The word today it's much better 03:06:19.828 --> 03:06:21.130 thanfirst presentation to us. 03:06:22.266 --> 03:06:24.266 And so I think it's -- when it's 03:06:27.340 --> 03:06:29.340 all said and done it will be not 03:06:31.875 --> 03:06:33.875 only an award-winning building, 03:06:34.742 --> 03:06:36.742 L.E.D. Building or eye catching. 03:06:38.312 --> 03:06:40.312 And there will be a contribution 03:06:41.619 --> 03:06:43.619 to the affordable house trust 03:06:44.951 --> 03:06:47.116 fund, $1.2 million that is positive and the open space that 03:06:48.257 --> 03:06:50.257 will be provided as well. 03:06:51.359 --> 03:06:53.359 And then contribution to the 03:06:54.732 --> 03:06:56.732 public arts program. 03:06:57.931 --> 03:06:59.163 So with that we will ask for a motion. 03:07:01.702 --> 03:07:03.702 >> actually I had one other item 03:07:06.878 --> 03:07:08.878 to present to present. 03:07:10.512 --> 03:07:12.512 We had amended condition 72-f. 03:07:13.946 --> 03:07:16.850 At the time of the planning commission meeting the final 03:07:17.753 --> 03:07:19.753 land value and monetary had not 03:07:20.154 --> 03:07:21.452 been confirmed and this modifies that. 03:07:22.288 --> 03:07:24.288 >> right, and this needs to be a 03:07:24.920 --> 03:07:27.426 part of the motion as amendment. Mrs. Silberberg. 03:07:28.959 --> 03:07:30.158 >> just a quick side bar, if you will. 03:07:32.665 --> 03:07:35.530 Y'all mentioned that the turning lane issue that this might address. 03:07:41.360 --> 03:07:43.360 It's right on the corner of an 03:07:43.710 --> 03:07:45.174 intersection that I have personally found to be very 03:07:46.944 --> 03:07:48.944 difficult in the city. 03:07:49.247 --> 03:07:51.247 And so I hope that we look 03:07:51.512 --> 03:07:53.512 carefully at what we are fixing. 03:07:54.552 --> 03:07:55.651 That we do much better and safer. 03:07:57.655 --> 03:08:00.388 It's a very tricky, little set of lights. 03:08:02.280 --> 03:08:04.280 I actually spoke with rich bear, 03:08:07.500 --> 03:08:09.500 our former director of tmas 03:08:09.766 --> 03:08:11.766 about it before he left. 03:08:11.803 --> 03:08:13.720 It's a very strange set of lights. 03:08:15.940 --> 03:08:18.607 So if this is going to help with that, and -- but there are a lot 03:08:20.508 --> 03:08:22.509 of cars that are backed up coming off the beltway right 03:08:22.509 --> 03:08:24.646 there. The light is very short. 03:08:26.384 --> 03:08:28.384 And trying to come out what was 03:08:30.554 --> 03:08:32.554 the holiday inn. 03:08:34.424 --> 03:08:37.259 >> and maybe trey, you should explain and I thought the same at first. 03:08:39.892 --> 03:08:41.861 And that is a walk way, not a drive way. 03:08:42.797 --> 03:08:45.393 You May want to explain that on the main corner? 03:08:46.100 --> 03:08:47.801 >> which main corner, the southeast corner? 03:08:48.901 --> 03:08:50.901 >> I think that the point of 03:08:51.500 --> 03:08:53.305 confusion is the pedestrian walkway to the main entrance of 03:08:54.470 --> 03:08:57.245 the building, if you look at that red box and that pathway 03:08:58.382 --> 03:09:00.382 coming out of it, at the 03:09:04.184 --> 03:09:06.184 intersection of eisenhower and 03:09:06.251 --> 03:09:07.886 stovall, that's a pedestrian walkway. 03:09:11.655 --> 03:09:13.655 It has a width to look like a 03:09:15.494 --> 03:09:17.494 driveway, but it's a pedestrian 03:09:22.733 --> 03:09:24.300 walkway at eisenhower and stovall. 03:09:25.805 --> 03:09:28.669 And at the rear is where trey was referring to the right turn 03:09:30.776 --> 03:09:32.776 lane to get people out of the 03:09:34.447 --> 03:09:36.447 ramp to the beltway, and main 03:09:36.483 --> 03:09:38.483 traffic can go through and the 03:09:39.919 --> 03:09:42.540 slower traffic can turn into the garage off of pershing. 03:09:43.856 --> 03:09:46.722 >> as they come off the beltway, will they wait for a light to 03:09:48.291 --> 03:09:50.291 change or go forward? 03:09:51.796 --> 03:09:53.796 >> on pershing beltway access? 03:09:55.266 --> 03:09:57.266 >> will they use the driveway. 03:09:58.470 --> 03:10:00.470 >> they will go off the ramp, 03:10:00.604 --> 03:10:02.604 and enter the orange area you 03:10:03.638 --> 03:10:05.543 see, the taper lane that is dedicated exclusively for 03:10:06.343 --> 03:10:09.242 turning vehicles to turn into the blue area that you see. 03:10:10.147 --> 03:10:12.147 Right on pershing avenue. 03:10:13.650 --> 03:10:14.851 >> okay. Okay. 03:10:16.549 --> 03:10:18.549 Don't want to cause more. 03:10:18.585 --> 03:10:20.585 >> another consideration with 03:10:22.458 --> 03:10:24.458 federal tenants especially a 03:10:32.800 --> 03:10:34.800 very prescriptive tenant like 03:10:35.402 --> 03:10:37.402 tsa, they won't allow visitors 03:10:37.972 --> 03:10:39.972 on the site, visitor parking for 03:10:41.420 --> 03:10:43.420 this is sufficient, it's 03:10:47.145 --> 03:10:49.717 handled off-site for nonapproved visitors and we confirmed there 03:10:50.887 --> 03:10:52.887 is sufficient in the hoffman 03:10:53.952 --> 03:10:55.856 area. A concerning access point, we believe we have taken 03:10:56.586 --> 03:10:58.655 the appropriate steps to make it as safe as possible. 03:10:59.462 --> 03:11:01.462 And once occupants are familiar 03:11:02.395 --> 03:11:05.333 with the traffic pattern in that area, it should function appropriately. 03:11:05.333 --> 03:11:07.333 >> Mrs. Pepper. 03:11:07.565 --> 03:11:09.503 >> if there is no other speakers, I would like to close 03:11:14.410 --> 03:11:16.410 the public hearing and move the 03:11:21.713 --> 03:11:23.713 planning's commission 03:11:25.318 --> 03:11:27.318 recommendations and add amended 03:11:27.553 --> 03:11:29.553 condition, 72-f of the evaluated 03:11:31.189 --> 03:11:33.189 land areas that we didn't have 03:11:33.823 --> 03:11:35.823 that information. 03:11:36.422 --> 03:11:38.422 For $78,500. 03:11:38.966 --> 03:11:40.500 >> is there a second to the motion? 03:11:41.366 --> 03:11:43.366 >> I will second the motion. 03:11:43.369 --> 03:11:45.369 >> motion is seconded. 03:11:46.568 --> 03:11:48.568 Let me -- also I need to note 03:11:51.900 --> 03:11:53.900 after we approve this, viewers 03:11:53.510 --> 03:11:55.911 for the vacation that is taking place. further discussion? 03:11:59.615 --> 03:12:02.117 Hearing none, all in favor. Aye. >> aye. 03:12:03.656 --> 03:12:05.656 >> excuse me, clerk, do they 03:12:06.589 --> 03:12:08.589 have to take a separate vote on 03:12:08.993 --> 03:12:11.422 the vacation? >> we can. 03:12:13.630 --> 03:12:15.630 I don't think we do. 03:12:16.463 --> 03:12:18.463 But let me note that I appointed 03:12:21.235 --> 03:12:23.235 three viewers from our existing 03:12:28.408 --> 03:12:30.408 list, Dr. Johnson, eric zander 03:12:36.981 --> 03:12:38.981 and shelle vasser will be the 03:12:39.921 --> 03:12:41.921 three to review. 03:12:42.459 --> 03:12:44.459 >> Mr. Mayor, the city attorney 03:12:45.226 --> 03:12:47.996 is here, can he comment on whether it's a separate vote. 03:12:49.297 --> 03:12:51.297 >> I wanted to be sure that they 03:12:53.499 --> 03:12:55.535 don't have to take the vacation as a separate item. 03:12:56.972 --> 03:12:58.972 >> no, they can vote on them 03:13:00.240 --> 03:13:01.474 together as it's clear on record. 03:13:08.749 --> 03:13:10.881 >> we did planning commission's action. >> no. 11. 03:13:14.786 --> 03:13:17.555 >> text amendment 2015-0001. Initiation of a text amendment 03:13:18.890 --> 03:13:20.890 and public hearing consideration 03:13:20.993 --> 03:13:23.897 of a text amendment of section 4-1300 of the zoning ordinance 03:13:24.659 --> 03:13:26.659 to require a special use permit 03:13:27.732 --> 03:13:29.732 for electrical subitation and 03:13:30.934 --> 03:13:32.934 switching stations greater than 03:13:33.169 --> 03:13:35.169 10,000 square feet in size of 03:13:38.477 --> 03:13:40.477 the utilities and transportation 03:13:43.681 --> 03:13:45.170 zone, planning commission approved. 03:13:48.453 --> 03:13:50.453 >> we don't have speakers but 03:13:51.555 --> 03:13:52.989 received correspondence from petco. 03:13:55.890 --> 03:13:57.890 >> what you have before you 03:13:57.360 --> 03:13:59.465 today is an initiation and proposed text amendment for 03:14:00.329 --> 03:14:02.329 substations and switching 03:14:02.766 --> 03:14:05.734 stations within the ut zone. And this text amendment similar 03:14:05.901 --> 03:14:07.901 to other text amendments before 03:14:08.238 --> 03:14:10.737 you or coming before you, for example, the parking 03:14:11.810 --> 03:14:14.771 requirements we are discussing now. Are to bring requirements up to 03:14:15.446 --> 03:14:17.341 current conditions as we know them today. 03:14:20.280 --> 03:14:22.811 Since the zoning ordinance has changed since 1992, and talk 03:14:23.386 --> 03:14:25.855 about those changes and what prompted the requirements. 03:14:26.957 --> 03:14:29.654 And at the end happy to answer questions. The next slide is really the 03:14:31.491 --> 03:14:34.261 intent of this provision is to look at compatibility. 03:14:34.795 --> 03:14:36.965 Which is really the intent of a special use permit. 03:14:38.528 --> 03:14:41.434 And as the next graphic will show, go ahead and jump to the 03:14:42.735 --> 03:14:44.735 next graphic, what this shows is 03:14:44.936 --> 03:14:47.340 what in orange is the current ut zoning in the city. 03:14:49.474 --> 03:14:51.474 And as you see much of that 03:14:52.881 --> 03:14:54.881 follows the rail corridor, and 03:14:55.447 --> 03:14:57.315 the other thing a little misleading, that the rail 03:14:59.784 --> 03:15:02.756 corridor continues through potomac yard, and that other 03:15:06.593 --> 03:15:09.328 zoning is ut, and by definition ct-zone. And what is important to know 03:15:11.930 --> 03:15:13.930 what has changed since 1992 and 03:15:17.134 --> 03:15:18.534 why we are enacting this provision. 03:15:20.690 --> 03:15:22.690 Most of our recent small area 03:15:24.410 --> 03:15:26.410 plans are adjacent to ut-zones. 03:15:31.847 --> 03:15:33.847 North potomac yard and braddock 03:15:34.918 --> 03:15:36.552 station is the pending eisenhower west plan. 03:15:38.321 --> 03:15:41.225 There is a lot of additional commercial development and a lot 03:15:41.960 --> 03:15:43.393 of additional residential development. 03:15:44.260 --> 03:15:46.260 And recently council has dealt 03:15:47.229 --> 03:15:48.997 with a substation, let's go back one slide. 03:15:50.436 --> 03:15:52.901 The bottom image is the one that is currently under construction 03:15:53.504 --> 03:15:55.637 on monroe avenue that came before city council, and there 03:15:56.900 --> 03:15:58.900 was a lot of discussion about 03:15:58.774 --> 03:16:00.774 how we make this compatible with 03:16:02.450 --> 03:16:04.450 the intended potomac yard. 03:16:04.346 --> 03:16:06.346 There is a land swap and a 03:16:08.719 --> 03:16:10.118 discussion vdot and the city and ultimately went through 03:16:13.880 --> 03:16:14.856 that outcome was a good one in maximizing 03:16:15.627 --> 03:16:17.627 open space and integrating it 03:16:19.724 --> 03:16:20.928 with the context of potomac yard. 03:16:22.925 --> 03:16:24.925 And it's another added benefit 03:16:25.268 --> 03:16:27.268 of special use permit to see how 03:16:28.270 --> 03:16:30.738 that fits in and gives us an opportunity to have a discussion 03:16:31.738 --> 03:16:33.738 with the community. 03:16:34.779 --> 03:16:37.700 Because most sites are surrounded by residential or commercial uses. 03:16:38.378 --> 03:16:40.378 And you see substations at the 03:16:41.847 --> 03:16:44.418 top of the image where you have residential uses almost 03:16:44.418 --> 03:16:45.720 immediately across from the facilities. 03:16:47.820 --> 03:16:49.820 What is before council today is 03:16:49.957 --> 03:16:52.887 a text amendment and you have this language in your staff report. 03:16:54.125 --> 03:16:56.594 Requiring facilities larger than 10,000 square feet to come 03:16:58.199 --> 03:17:00.433 before city council as part of a special use permit. 03:17:02.402 --> 03:17:04.402 That was through an analysis and 03:17:04.471 --> 03:17:06.471 your staff report looking at 03:17:07.506 --> 03:17:08.805 various sizes and shapes of the facilities. 03:17:10.241 --> 03:17:12.241 And some are larger and smaller, 03:17:12.343 --> 03:17:14.343 and based on that analysis we 03:17:15.279 --> 03:17:17.149 thought 10,000 square feet was reasonable size. 03:17:18.283 --> 03:17:20.283 That would have additional 03:17:20.953 --> 03:17:22.186 impacts and require additional review. 03:17:23.722 --> 03:17:26.386 And the ut zone is intended for some facilities, and something 03:17:28.428 --> 03:17:31.192 smaller than that, would be intended with the site plan. 03:17:31.494 --> 03:17:33.494 And that is what is before you 03:17:33.496 --> 03:17:36.202 today and with that we would be happy to answer questions. >> Mr. Mayor. 03:17:38.164 --> 03:17:40.164 >> Mr. Smedberg. 03:17:41.503 --> 03:17:44.108 >> just to start the discussion, if no public speakers, I will 03:17:44.674 --> 03:17:47.507 move that we close the public hearing and put a motion on the 03:17:48.911 --> 03:17:50.510 table that we accept the planning committee 03:17:51.482 --> 03:17:54.500 recommendation and jeff and joanna, thank you for your work 03:17:55.183 --> 03:17:57.183 on this. 03:17:58.718 --> 03:18:00.718 I know this is something that is 03:18:01.723 --> 03:18:04.593 important to the community, particularly the old north town 03:18:04.694 --> 03:18:07.940 area, this something that del and I have heard about for a 03:18:07.940 --> 03:18:09.940 while. 03:18:09.631 --> 03:18:11.331 Since we worked on that and she the site. 03:18:12.536 --> 03:18:15.167 I think this is great that it's getting done now. 03:18:16.700 --> 03:18:18.700 And I think it's very important 03:18:22.511 --> 03:18:24.511 for us to pass this today. 03:18:24.946 --> 03:18:27.582 >> we have a motion and second, further discussion? 03:18:27.617 --> 03:18:29.751 Hearing none. This is -- 03:18:29.954 --> 03:18:31.954 >> aye. 03:18:32.555 --> 03:18:34.555 >> no, I was going to see if 03:18:34.718 --> 03:18:36.718 roll call vote, but no. 03:18:36.825 --> 03:18:38.256 All in favor say aye. >> aye. 03:18:39.727 --> 03:18:42.960 >> aye's have it, congratulations. 03:18:42.960 --> 03:18:44.960 No. 12. 03:18:46.934 --> 03:18:48.934 >> rezoning 2014-0013, 03:18:49.873 --> 03:18:51.873 development special use permit 03:18:53.437 --> 03:18:55.437 2014-0026, encroachment 03:18:56.176 --> 03:18:58.176 2014-0006, 0 prince street, 200 03:19:00.911 --> 03:19:03.878 and 204 strand street, old dominion boat club to change the 03:19:07.830 --> 03:19:09.830 zone from w-1 to wpr with 03:19:09.521 --> 03:19:11.521 proffer, and development special 03:19:12.357 --> 03:19:14.357 use permit and site plan to 03:19:14.425 --> 03:19:16.425 construct and operate a boat 03:19:16.630 --> 03:19:18.630 club building; a special use 03:19:20.532 --> 03:19:22.532 permit for parking reduction; 03:19:23.936 --> 03:19:25.936 and encroachment into the public 03:19:27.173 --> 03:19:30.105 right-of-way on prince street, planning commission recommended 03:19:33.810 --> 03:19:35.810 approval of rezoning as amended 03:19:37.813 --> 03:19:39.813 and encroachment, 6-0. 03:19:40.352 --> 03:19:43.314 >> thank you, I want to thank everyone here that is engaged in 03:19:45.540 --> 03:19:46.389 the process here and long overdue. 03:19:47.457 --> 03:19:50.157 But hopefully council will act accordingly in a few moments, 03:19:54.231 --> 03:19:56.231 and make this a win/win/win for 03:19:58.100 --> 03:20:00.100 everyone. 03:20:00.871 --> 03:20:02.871 I don't know how to say, it will 03:20:04.772 --> 03:20:06.772 be a relief to know that after 03:20:07.177 --> 03:20:09.312 more than 40 years since this process commenced. 03:20:11.746 --> 03:20:13.746 We are now bringing closure to a 03:20:17.153 --> 03:20:19.153 very valuable, vital, essential 03:20:19.552 --> 03:20:21.552 piece of real estate on our 03:20:22.890 --> 03:20:24.926 waterfront in the heart of old town. And through years of 03:20:26.930 --> 03:20:28.731 deliberation and collaboration and able to reach a settlement 03:20:31.433 --> 03:20:33.433 with the old dominion boat club 03:20:33.966 --> 03:20:35.966 and members to not only relocate 03:20:38.204 --> 03:20:40.204 the site and buy the property at 03:20:45.378 --> 03:20:48.440 the foot of prince street to build a building just blocks 03:20:49.312 --> 03:20:51.784 away and still have access to the waterfront. 03:20:53.819 --> 03:20:55.819 Long overdue but an opportunity 03:20:57.391 --> 03:20:59.391 to celebrate what has been some 03:21:00.127 --> 03:21:02.696 times frustrating but most times inspiring and exciting just as well. 03:21:04.794 --> 03:21:06.794 I wanted to say that. 03:21:06.828 --> 03:21:08.828 When I met with the attorney for 03:21:10.301 --> 03:21:12.301 the applicant, and members of 03:21:13.500 --> 03:21:15.500 the boat club yesterday, for me 03:21:15.140 --> 03:21:17.775 it's almost like giving birth. It's been sort of a good thing 03:21:19.943 --> 03:21:21.943 and bad thing at the same time. 03:21:23.446 --> 03:21:26.384 At any rate it's finally done. And we can celebrate. 03:21:30.587 --> 03:21:32.523 So with that, Mr. Smedberg. >> [Inaudible]. 03:21:38.563 --> 03:21:40.563 >> staff, your presentation. 03:21:40.666 --> 03:21:43.300 >> good afternoon, I am jim roberts with the department of 03:21:44.867 --> 03:21:46.867 planning and zoning. 03:21:46.900 --> 03:21:49.773 And staff agrees with the mayor's comments and we believe 03:21:50.670 --> 03:21:52.670 this is a fascinating 03:21:53.777 --> 03:21:55.777 development for the city, and a 03:21:56.946 --> 03:21:58.946 suitable new home for the boat 03:21:59.381 --> 03:22:01.381 club and to implement the plan. 03:22:03.221 --> 03:22:05.221 The site at the corner of prince 03:22:05.520 --> 03:22:07.520 and strand street and includes 03:22:07.825 --> 03:22:09.825 the current beach restaurant and 03:22:10.558 --> 03:22:12.558 parking lot on the small area 03:22:14.610 --> 03:22:16.610 associated with the cruise line. 03:22:19.340 --> 03:22:21.340 And this site was recently 03:22:22.440 --> 03:22:23.737 approved for the future promenade. 03:22:25.741 --> 03:22:27.741 And what the current situation 03:22:28.704 --> 03:22:30.704 is, this project if approved 03:22:31.749 --> 03:22:33.749 will be one of the first 03:22:34.716 --> 03:22:36.160 projects on the waterfront to be constructed. 03:22:36.717 --> 03:22:38.717 And ahead of the results of 03:22:39.120 --> 03:22:40.288 implementation on all sides of it. 03:22:42.384 --> 03:22:45.353 The application consists of three requests. 03:22:47.859 --> 03:22:49.859 First rezoning with proffer from 03:22:50.262 --> 03:22:52.262 w-1 to wpr zone. 03:22:54.902 --> 03:22:56.902 And secondly a request for d-sup 03:22:57.400 --> 03:22:59.271 to construct a boat club and for the various improvements on 03:22:59.271 --> 03:23:01.271 prince street. 03:23:03.742 --> 03:23:05.742 The proposed building is a 03:23:07.980 --> 03:23:10.783 three-story structure measuring 350 feet in height. 03:23:13.318 --> 03:23:16.287 In terms of rezoning, the wpr zone would allow for the 03:23:16.821 --> 03:23:19.290 specific boat club use and for the specific development before you. 03:23:19.658 --> 03:23:21.658 Because of relative zoning 03:23:22.623 --> 03:23:24.623 requirements of w-1 and wpr, the 03:23:25.497 --> 03:23:28.295 building proposed under this submission is smaller than would 03:23:29.632 --> 03:23:32.368 be allowed under current zoning and as park zone consistent with 03:23:35.171 --> 03:23:37.171 the waterfront plan to provide a 03:23:37.302 --> 03:23:40.430 network of connected public spaces along that river. 03:23:42.845 --> 03:23:45.543 The implementation of the key elements of the waterfront plan. 03:23:46.615 --> 03:23:48.615 The first big move is existing 03:23:48.619 --> 03:23:50.619 clubhouse and parking lot from 03:23:50.918 --> 03:23:53.570 the foot of king street to the current site. 03:23:55.619 --> 03:23:57.210 And that frees up for king street. 03:23:58.592 --> 03:24:00.592 And approximately 30,000 of open 03:24:00.895 --> 03:24:03.662 space is to be acquired by the city of that site. 03:24:06.835 --> 03:24:08.835 And secondly the proposal of the 03:24:11.273 --> 03:24:13.273 old beach club site and for 03:24:13.842 --> 03:24:15.842 access along the river. 03:24:17.314 --> 03:24:19.314 That staff views as improvement 03:24:20.150 --> 03:24:22.150 over the current situation. 03:24:23.182 --> 03:24:25.784 There were noteworthy elements of site design. 03:24:26.486 --> 03:24:28.486 The building is set to the back 03:24:28.956 --> 03:24:30.956 of the sidewalk, and fulfilling 03:24:32.455 --> 03:24:34.455 the same footprints of the 03:24:34.764 --> 03:24:36.764 existing building, and filling 03:24:37.364 --> 03:24:39.364 lot along street frontage. 03:24:40.698 --> 03:24:42.698 The parking lot has the ability 03:24:44.669 --> 03:24:46.669 to add additional 20 spaces in a 03:24:46.872 --> 03:24:48.872 tendum layout when special 03:24:49.337 --> 03:24:51.337 events occur at the club. 03:24:51.946 --> 03:24:53.946 And this 50 spaces are required 03:24:54.812 --> 03:24:56.812 under the ordinance, but staff 03:24:58.510 --> 03:25:00.886 is comfortable with the reduction, the construction of a 03:25:03.257 --> 03:25:05.257 parking lot that would be 03:25:05.761 --> 03:25:07.761 underutilized on a day-to-day 03:25:08.854 --> 03:25:10.590 basis would not be a good use of that. 03:25:12.398 --> 03:25:14.398 And that this is constructed 03:25:14.697 --> 03:25:16.697 ahead of adjacent 3. 03:25:16.868 --> 03:25:18.868 And to exist on riverside and 03:25:20.170 --> 03:25:22.170 prince street and on the side. 03:25:23.873 --> 03:25:26.643 However on the strand side the streetscape and materials are 03:25:28.313 --> 03:25:30.313 consistent with the waterfront 03:25:33.515 --> 03:25:36.540 plan and the materials pallet that is being considered. 03:25:38.651 --> 03:25:40.651 In terms of lighting, a part of 03:25:41.391 --> 03:25:44.920 the site plan and approval of the specific appropriateness. 03:25:45.463 --> 03:25:47.463 Much like the paving material in 03:25:49.334 --> 03:25:51.295 the boat parking lot, the lighting design will be 03:25:51.401 --> 03:25:53.401 consistent with the lighting 03:25:54.700 --> 03:25:56.603 design in other areas of the waterfront plan and condition of 03:25:58.508 --> 03:26:00.508 approval speaks to that. 03:26:03.679 --> 03:26:05.679 The project involves a larger 03:26:05.812 --> 03:26:07.812 number of modifications than we 03:26:08.847 --> 03:26:10.847 see on a project. 03:26:11.587 --> 03:26:14.587 First the settlement agreement of significant amount of land to 03:26:16.355 --> 03:26:18.355 the boat club in order for them 03:26:19.762 --> 03:26:21.762 to be functional at this 03:26:22.529 --> 03:26:24.529 location and maximize the amount 03:26:25.433 --> 03:26:27.433 of land for the city. 03:26:27.466 --> 03:26:29.466 And there is sufficient space 03:26:30.972 --> 03:26:33.739 for the plan and parking lot but insufficient for the screening 03:26:33.941 --> 03:26:35.941 requirements of the ordinance. 03:26:36.440 --> 03:26:38.440 And secondly the building at the 03:26:38.413 --> 03:26:40.413 back of the sidewalk to match 03:26:44.415 --> 03:26:46.647 the development of old town, the vision appearance needs to be 03:26:47.154 --> 03:26:49.320 modified accordingly and staff is comfortable with these 03:26:49.320 --> 03:26:51.320 requests. 03:26:53.327 --> 03:26:55.327 Three elements of the building, 03:26:55.627 --> 03:26:58.640 encroachment and the stoop on prince street side, staff is 03:26:58.927 --> 03:27:00.927 comfortable with these designs 03:27:02.367 --> 03:27:04.367 on prince street today and will 03:27:07.469 --> 03:27:09.469 be coordinated in the future on 03:27:11.443 --> 03:27:13.443 prince street with the plan to 03:27:16.279 --> 03:27:18.279 be prince street gardens. 03:27:18.381 --> 03:27:20.381 This slide is for the waterfront 03:27:20.416 --> 03:27:22.416 building in the existing model. 03:27:23.200 --> 03:27:24.990 You can see the masking as it relates to buildings around. 03:27:26.224 --> 03:27:28.790 And you can see the existing boat club building there. 03:27:31.393 --> 03:27:33.393 To see where the move is from 03:27:34.498 --> 03:27:36.729 and to and how the two buildings measure up together. 03:27:40.670 --> 03:27:42.670 In terms of building design, 03:27:43.604 --> 03:27:45.604 east half of the new building, 03:27:48.144 --> 03:27:50.144 on the left of the elevation 03:27:50.912 --> 03:27:53.784 providing for roof top space for dining. And the west half of the 03:27:55.450 --> 03:27:57.550 building, the addition, has a different treatment. 03:28:00.570 --> 03:28:02.570 However the materials for both 03:28:04.286 --> 03:28:06.286 pieces use historic cupboard for 03:28:06.858 --> 03:28:09.460 field stone base, and to make the building clearly relate to 03:28:10.764 --> 03:28:12.764 its use, it should look and feel 03:28:13.000 --> 03:28:15.234 like a boat club, and staff feels like it does. 03:28:17.939 --> 03:28:19.939 From the south you can see some 03:28:21.108 --> 03:28:23.108 additional elements such as the 03:28:23.945 --> 03:28:26.576 exterior stairs which recall the existing beach comber building. 03:28:27.748 --> 03:28:30.447 And ultimately the architecture and building design will be 03:28:32.783 --> 03:28:34.783 subject to the full approval as 03:28:37.522 --> 03:28:40.192 appropriateness of the bar. I need to switch into a second 03:28:49.503 --> 03:28:51.503 presentation. 03:28:52.438 --> 03:28:54.603 The design of perimeter is a very important element of the 03:28:55.639 --> 03:28:58.342 project given its location and visibility. And much discussed at the 03:28:58.641 --> 03:29:01.310 planning commission. I believe we can report that the 03:29:03.916 --> 03:29:05.916 applicant and staff were able to 03:29:08.253 --> 03:29:10.253 resolve what was initiated and 03:29:11.283 --> 03:29:14.222 discussed a commission. The memo outlines the agreement reached. 03:29:15.460 --> 03:29:18.580 The result is what staff believes to be the right balance 03:29:19.397 --> 03:29:21.599 of visibility to the river and attractive built feature. 03:29:24.734 --> 03:29:27.273 The perimeter is formed of a low masonry wall with the same stone 03:29:27.672 --> 03:29:29.672 in the base of the building. 03:29:31.143 --> 03:29:33.143 There will be a fence on top of 03:29:33.708 --> 03:29:35.708 it, and masonry piers at the 03:29:35.945 --> 03:29:37.945 gates and entrances. 03:29:39.279 --> 03:29:41.749 This slide show that is view from the strand. 03:29:42.318 --> 03:29:44.318 And here's a view from the 03:29:45.151 --> 03:29:47.151 opposite side, a view from the 03:29:47.320 --> 03:29:49.320 promenade, that shows again the 03:29:49.456 --> 03:29:50.723 same wall, fence and pier scenario. 03:29:55.331 --> 03:29:57.901 And one note on this, the riffraff at the bottom of the 03:29:59.198 --> 03:30:01.170 wall would not be installed under the agreement. 03:30:02.304 --> 03:30:04.304 In interim the wall will come 03:30:06.375 --> 03:30:08.375 down as a wall down to the 03:30:09.709 --> 03:30:11.780 existing and no wrap at the bottom. 03:30:14.618 --> 03:30:16.517 And lastly the perimeter from the site side. 03:30:17.986 --> 03:30:19.753 And this is a view from the city parking lot. 03:30:21.622 --> 03:30:23.622 And staff was able to come to a 03:30:24.120 --> 03:30:26.120 compromise on this side that 03:30:29.280 --> 03:30:31.597 allows for a lot located on the adjacent city lot, and staff 03:30:33.597 --> 03:30:35.598 agrees that this lot will be become part of the park. 03:30:36.333 --> 03:30:38.333 And what is along this screening 03:30:39.834 --> 03:30:41.834 will incorporated into the park. 03:30:43.875 --> 03:30:45.875 And in the interim the screen 03:30:46.144 --> 03:30:48.144 will help visually screen the 03:30:49.749 --> 03:30:51.749 parking. Has been to three 03:30:53.530 --> 03:30:55.530 work sessions of bar, and are 03:30:57.990 --> 03:31:00.356 supportive of the scale and mass of the building and provided 03:31:00.628 --> 03:31:03.428 feedback to the applicant in design. The board will have the 03:31:03.956 --> 03:31:06.360 opportunity to approve the building and many site elements 03:31:08.331 --> 03:31:10.665 such as lighting and perimeter conditions, and the certificate 03:31:12.231 --> 03:31:14.231 of appropriateness stage. 03:31:14.343 --> 03:31:16.343 And in addition the project is 03:31:17.505 --> 03:31:19.505 presented to the old town civic 03:31:20.909 --> 03:31:22.909 association and the waterfront 03:31:23.178 --> 03:31:25.178 commission, and in February 19 03:31:25.215 --> 03:31:27.215 they received support and 03:31:27.352 --> 03:31:29.823 questions about architectural style and whether paving could 03:31:33.230 --> 03:31:35.230 be used in the parking lot. 03:31:35.689 --> 03:31:37.689 That the applicant expressed 03:31:37.758 --> 03:31:39.758 willing to explore. 03:31:40.160 --> 03:31:41.528 With that staff recommends approval. 03:31:42.765 --> 03:31:44.765 >> thank you very much, and as I 03:31:45.135 --> 03:31:47.135 mentioned to the folks that we 03:31:48.269 --> 03:31:50.269 were meeting with yesterday. 03:31:54.446 --> 03:31:56.446 This is a very beautifully, 03:31:57.246 --> 03:31:59.412 architecturally designed proposal. 03:32:00.546 --> 03:32:02.546 And I had an opportunity five 03:32:03.317 --> 03:32:05.317 years in sweden visiting our 03:32:05.551 --> 03:32:07.686 sister city, to have been taken to the waterfront to have lunch 03:32:11.526 --> 03:32:12.728 with the mayor of the sister city. 03:32:14.625 --> 03:32:17.129 And took me to this privately owned boat club. 03:32:17.197 --> 03:32:19.197 And I fell in love with the 03:32:19.397 --> 03:32:20.934 design and beauty and everything else. 03:32:22.501 --> 03:32:24.501 And I came back and was telling 03:32:24.504 --> 03:32:26.537 staff and remember the negotiation buildings with the 03:32:27.539 --> 03:32:29.944 boat club, I said that someone needs to go to sweden and see 03:32:29.944 --> 03:32:31.944 this building. 03:32:32.676 --> 03:32:34.676 I am not sure if this is all 03:32:35.713 --> 03:32:37.713 what I saw five years ago. 03:32:38.718 --> 03:32:41.549 But certainly it resembles it, and it's beautiful, and to be 03:32:43.352 --> 03:32:45.590 where it is on the waterfront. And strategic location. 03:32:46.293 --> 03:32:48.326 And more importantly to blend in with the rest of the 03:32:49.261 --> 03:32:50.927 neighborhood as it's redeveloped. 03:32:51.929 --> 03:32:53.929 I think a lot of hard work has 03:32:54.296 --> 03:32:56.765 gone into this and want to see it happen. Mr. Smedberg. 03:32:59.769 --> 03:33:02.503 >> jim, I want to go back, the planning commission had quite a 03:33:03.410 --> 03:33:04.642 bit of discussion on condition 8. 03:33:06.480 --> 03:33:09.344 You referenced it and it sounds like we are further along than 03:33:10.416 --> 03:33:12.917 we were at the time of the planning commission, is that your sense? 03:33:14.349 --> 03:33:16.349 >> yeah, we came to a full 03:33:17.389 --> 03:33:19.389 agreement applicant and 03:33:19.489 --> 03:33:21.622 staff and applicant agree on the perimeter conditions on all 03:33:21.723 --> 03:33:23.723 sides of the building. 03:33:26.364 --> 03:33:28.364 Both in terms of what the wall 03:33:29.397 --> 03:33:31.640 looks like aesthetically. And the low wall fence, and 03:33:34.503 --> 03:33:36.107 piers and the material, and structural. 03:33:37.804 --> 03:33:39.804 The issue was that it the 03:33:40.575 --> 03:33:42.575 eastern wall facing the river 03:33:43.477 --> 03:33:45.477 May not be part of the applicant 03:33:49.117 --> 03:33:51.117 lot fully and don't need to be 03:33:52.222 --> 03:33:54.120 adjacent to was the scenario that staff wanted. 03:33:55.357 --> 03:33:57.357 >> so that's pretty significant. 03:33:57.491 --> 03:33:59.727 do we have to change that at all? 03:34:01.825 --> 03:34:03.825 Before we approve this? 03:34:04.102 --> 03:34:06.102 >> condition 8, condition 8 03:34:06.437 --> 03:34:08.437 itself can stay in tact. 03:34:10.466 --> 03:34:12.204 Because the applicant has agreed to condition 8. 03:34:13.804 --> 03:34:15.804 Condition 26, which is in the 03:34:15.807 --> 03:34:17.706 director's memo, needs to be amended slightly. 03:34:18.511 --> 03:34:19.708 >> do we have something for that? 03:34:21.182 --> 03:34:23.783 Do you have something written out for that? 03:34:30.530 --> 03:34:31.690 Or joan ana -- jo anna, you have something? 03:34:32.659 --> 03:34:34.223 >> that was the memo on the 12th of March. 03:34:36.826 --> 03:34:38.826 >> okay, I want to ask about the 03:34:39.929 --> 03:34:41.298 signage, the two medallion pieces. 03:34:42.663 --> 03:34:44.433 We hear about signage issues in old town. 03:34:45.371 --> 03:34:47.371 Obviously bar is okay with that, 03:34:47.939 --> 03:34:49.440 or is that pending staff approval? 03:34:49.942 --> 03:34:52.777 >> the signage will both have to be compliant with the zoning 03:34:55.615 --> 03:34:58.249 ordinance and reviewed by bar, of its appropriateness to approve it. 03:34:59.380 --> 03:35:02.183 >> yeah, it would be something new, and something affixed to a 03:35:04.454 --> 03:35:06.454 building in terms of a sign. 03:35:06.793 --> 03:35:09.210 Typically we have the little hanging signs and want to be 03:35:09.393 --> 03:35:11.393 sure we are all clear here. 03:35:11.495 --> 03:35:14.366 The brick in the parking lot. You referenced that, I know that 03:35:15.799 --> 03:35:17.498 you and I had a discussion with this. 03:35:18.136 --> 03:35:20.136 We are open and there May be 03:35:20.605 --> 03:35:22.605 other materials to blend in more 03:35:22.639 --> 03:35:24.639 with the final treatment of a 03:35:25.109 --> 03:35:28.110 promenade or what we do as part of the plan to soften the look 03:35:28.742 --> 03:35:29.939 of that a little bit down the road. 03:35:30.979 --> 03:35:32.976 >> so there is a condition of approval already in that. 03:35:34.179 --> 03:35:36.318 that the materials in the parking lot will need to be 03:35:37.354 --> 03:35:40.353 consistent with those in the waterfront plan, typically the 03:35:41.524 --> 03:35:43.524 ones in the strand. 03:35:46.328 --> 03:35:48.328 That's not been fully finalized, 03:35:49.632 --> 03:35:52.000 the pallet hasn't been fully finalized but what it is, will 03:35:52.566 --> 03:35:54.633 be the same material in the parking lot. 03:35:55.335 --> 03:35:57.369 >> and the lighting issue is an important one, and we had 03:35:58.672 --> 03:36:00.672 discussion on this, and I did 03:36:01.700 --> 03:36:03.700 with the applicant as well. 03:36:05.511 --> 03:36:07.511 Again we want to blend in well 03:36:08.283 --> 03:36:10.283 and not so bright it's more in 03:36:10.615 --> 03:36:12.650 context with -- well, hopefully will be down there. 03:36:14.520 --> 03:36:16.520 And aesthetic and a look. 03:36:17.294 --> 03:36:18.924 >> both in terms, the actual fixtures themselves similar to 03:36:19.960 --> 03:36:21.960 the paving and parking lot need 03:36:22.950 --> 03:36:24.928 to be consistent with whatt is approved in the waterfront pallet. 03:36:27.599 --> 03:36:30.371 And then in terms of the light levels, the applicant indicated 03:36:32.839 --> 03:36:35.406 they want a very limited light level. Which is sufficient for security 03:36:37.374 --> 03:36:40.770 in a parking lot but not lit up like a grocery store parking lot. 03:36:41.347 --> 03:36:43.347 >> let me ask you, we are not 03:36:43.378 --> 03:36:45.378 looking at metal poles and 03:36:45.518 --> 03:36:47.518 things over that obviously. 03:36:47.684 --> 03:36:50.291 But the other night I was driving by jefferson houston, 03:36:51.490 --> 03:36:54.392 and as the field is becoming complete they have a fence and 03:36:55.629 --> 03:36:57.629 they have some pillars there. 03:36:58.463 --> 03:37:01.231 And they have these very subtle lights that provide a very soft, 03:37:02.266 --> 03:37:04.499 sort of light. It lights things up enough to 03:37:07.360 --> 03:37:09.637 see it, but it's very discreet. It almost blends into the design 03:37:10.390 --> 03:37:12.390 of the fence. 03:37:12.705 --> 03:37:14.705 You hardly see the light at all, 03:37:15.578 --> 03:37:18.790 or the lighting structure or piece, something to think about. 03:37:19.612 --> 03:37:21.612 >> and the applicant May want to 03:37:22.116 --> 03:37:23.321 speak to the lighting design as well. 03:37:25.687 --> 03:37:28.589 I think they are thinking that there will be lights mounted on 03:37:29.726 --> 03:37:31.726 the wall piers and the fence to 03:37:31.928 --> 03:37:34.893 light the perimeter as you are suggesting at jefferson houston 03:37:35.530 --> 03:37:37.530 and they May need additional 03:37:38.866 --> 03:37:41.269 lighting to that, to achieve a soft-balanced light level in the 03:37:42.568 --> 03:37:44.568 lot without becoming too bright 03:37:44.972 --> 03:37:46.972 in any one spot. 03:37:47.676 --> 03:37:50.100 >> one last thing, jim, undergrounding of wires are very 03:37:50.975 --> 03:37:53.646 important to folks in old town. And we should do that obviously 03:37:55.150 --> 03:37:56.350 everywhere in the city, in my view. 03:37:57.650 --> 03:37:59.650 So we are comfortable with the 03:37:59.885 --> 03:38:01.885 agreement, doesn't look like 03:38:02.890 --> 03:38:04.890 there will be wires on the site. 03:38:06.559 --> 03:38:08.559 But yet they will tap into the 03:38:09.328 --> 03:38:11.695 transformer there, I guess it's near the edge of the future park 03:38:12.637 --> 03:38:14.637 being 03:38:17.690 --> 03:38:19.690 being -- parking lot and we are 03:38:19.237 --> 03:38:21.640 okay with that and I assume we will work with other neighbors 03:38:21.640 --> 03:38:23.640 to take care of that. 03:38:24.713 --> 03:38:27.149 >> ycorrect, there will be no wires from the last pole 03:38:27.448 --> 03:38:29.448 to the building. 03:38:30.947 --> 03:38:32.250 And that is an improvement over today. 03:38:34.419 --> 03:38:35.718 However, they need a transformer. 03:38:36.919 --> 03:38:38.919 And however the transformer 03:38:39.188 --> 03:38:41.188 location has worked out, the 03:38:41.561 --> 03:38:44.462 condition currently leaves flexibility in it, it could be 03:38:46.320 --> 03:38:48.320 on site or in the right-of-way. 03:38:48.198 --> 03:38:51.100 And ultimately that transformer will be undergrounded when the 03:38:51.568 --> 03:38:52.935 rest of the strand is undergrounded. 03:38:53.801 --> 03:38:56.340 And the condition states, there wasn't be any new net poles in 03:38:57.242 --> 03:38:59.242 order to put the transformer up. 03:39:00.805 --> 03:39:03.181 so there is already a lot of transformers out there today. 03:39:05.790 --> 03:39:07.790 >> yeah, and the technology has 03:39:07.353 --> 03:39:10.248 changed so much with design. Mr. Mayor. 03:39:14.289 --> 03:39:16.827 >> we have a speaker, mary cathy gibbs the attorney representing 03:39:16.827 --> 03:39:19.626 the applicant. >> good afternoon, I am mary 03:39:22.330 --> 03:39:24.568 cathy gibbs, representing the boat club. 03:39:28.139 --> 03:39:30.139 We have a number of boat club 03:39:31.276 --> 03:39:33.276 members, and the design 03:39:33.676 --> 03:39:35.676 committee and mike savage, and 03:39:40.445 --> 03:39:41.683 the Chairman Of the board, steve thayer. 03:39:42.549 --> 03:39:45.522 And you talk about the architecture of the structure, 03:39:46.189 --> 03:39:48.189 michael stanley has been working 03:39:51.255 --> 03:39:52.457 on this since the due diligence stage. 03:39:53.659 --> 03:39:55.659 And he and his office have 03:39:55.862 --> 03:39:57.862 worked hard, and have looked at 03:39:58.660 --> 03:39:59.564 boat houses across the pond, you might say. 03:40:01.301 --> 03:40:03.502 And they looked at a boat house in europe. 03:40:03.836 --> 03:40:06.475 Those ideas have been incorporated in this design. 03:40:07.300 --> 03:40:09.803 And along with myself and my partner, we have worked hard to 03:40:10.800 --> 03:40:12.800 get where we are today. 03:40:13.182 --> 03:40:15.182 This is the end of one chapter 03:40:16.150 --> 03:40:18.919 and the beginning of another. The settlement with the city is 03:40:19.588 --> 03:40:22.388 the end of the waterfront location since the 70s. 03:40:24.688 --> 03:40:26.688 And this plan is truly the 03:40:27.930 --> 03:40:29.930 beginning of the implementation 03:40:30.580 --> 03:40:32.580 of your waterfront plan. 03:40:33.730 --> 03:40:35.730 And here with the unanimous vote 03:40:37.167 --> 03:40:39.167 of the planning commission and 03:40:39.536 --> 03:40:41.605 it's important to state the history. 03:40:45.313 --> 03:40:47.313 The old dominion boat club are 03:40:49.778 --> 03:40:52.582 the oldest boat club in virginia. 03:40:55.417 --> 03:40:58.320 Organized in 1880, and they are supportive of the high school boating team. 03:40:59.230 --> 03:41:01.292 they are a continuous supporter of many charities in our 03:41:01.292 --> 03:41:03.292 community. 03:41:03.924 --> 03:41:06.462 And have done so at their prior locations and will continue to 03:41:07.529 --> 03:41:10.320 do so. The history of the boat's club 03:41:10.903 --> 03:41:12.903 location on your waterfront is 03:41:13.234 --> 03:41:15.437 integral to the history of your waterfront than any other entity 03:41:16.205 --> 03:41:18.708 could be. This not just their second 03:41:18.905 --> 03:41:20.905 location, it's their third 03:41:21.390 --> 03:41:23.390 location, they had a building on 03:41:26.381 --> 03:41:28.381 the foot of duke street from 03:41:31.685 --> 03:41:32.888 1880 until the building burned down. 03:41:34.623 --> 03:41:36.623 And located the property in 1920 03:41:38.600 --> 03:41:40.600 and been there since that time. 03:41:41.332 --> 03:41:43.332 The architecture features the 03:41:45.266 --> 03:41:47.266 beach comber building, and in 03:41:48.470 --> 03:41:50.470 your plan does not give you that 03:41:51.338 --> 03:41:53.807 feeling but it was a beautiful structure and built by the 03:41:54.507 --> 03:41:56.877 father of the chair of our design committee today. 03:41:58.313 --> 03:42:00.313 We will bring a history from the 03:42:01.800 --> 03:42:03.800 1880s and what was done in the 03:42:03.551 --> 03:42:06.451 1940s and now building a new in the 21st century, we are 03:42:06.821 --> 03:42:08.821 spanning the centuries to bring 03:42:09.570 --> 03:42:11.570 you what we feel is an exciting 03:42:11.391 --> 03:42:13.391 project. 03:42:14.492 --> 03:42:16.492 As you can see from the boards 03:42:17.999 --> 03:42:20.767 in front of you, we got these renderings that will be 03:42:21.767 --> 03:42:23.767 submitted with a bar submission. 03:42:24.370 --> 03:42:27.360 While you can look at an elevation and get sort of a 03:42:27.237 --> 03:42:29.237 picture in your mind. 03:42:29.473 --> 03:42:31.473 But to put in a rendering and 03:42:31.478 --> 03:42:33.345 the context of what you will see is exciting. 03:42:34.445 --> 03:42:35.877 This is an exciting new building. 03:42:37.140 --> 03:42:38.948 This is an exciting new beginning for the boat club. 03:42:40.453 --> 03:42:42.453 It will make sure that the boat 03:42:43.255 --> 03:42:44.989 club will now go hopefully to the next century. 03:42:46.491 --> 03:42:48.991 this club has been here for a long time intends to stay here 03:42:49.356 --> 03:42:51.356 for a long time. 03:42:52.300 --> 03:42:54.497 In regards to the lighting, councilmember smedberg, we have 03:42:56.334 --> 03:42:58.334 a requirement to meet a minimum 03:42:58.335 --> 03:43:00.335 foot candle. 03:43:02.600 --> 03:43:03.973 It was 1.0 and negotiated down to.6. 03:43:05.208 --> 03:43:06.377 Because we didn't want it too lit. 03:43:08.910 --> 03:43:10.910 And keeping in with features of 03:43:13.749 --> 03:43:16.248 the owen plan, to have poles in the middle of the parking lot 03:43:18.520 --> 03:43:20.520 and not on the perimeter. 03:43:20.456 --> 03:43:22.456 That's what we are looking at 03:43:22.692 --> 03:43:25.692 regarding the lighting. But it's always good to end on a 03:43:26.361 --> 03:43:29.290 positive note. Someone taught me that and I 03:43:29.660 --> 03:43:31.660 will continue to say that. 03:43:32.232 --> 03:43:35.680 While this is the end of the chapter in the waterfront, it's 03:43:36.104 --> 03:43:38.104 the beginning of the chapter in 03:43:38.406 --> 03:43:40.406 the new waterfront. 03:43:40.671 --> 03:43:42.671 Things in alexandria seem toical 03:43:42.774 --> 03:43:44.774 full circle. 03:43:45.777 --> 03:43:48.513 In particular, my father and bill savage were involved in the 03:43:59.191 --> 03:44:02.970 first waterfront at the ca settlement and now involved in the last settlement. 03:44:03.926 --> 03:44:06.199 As I said alexandria likes to come full circle. 03:44:07.900 --> 03:44:10.233 And here to request that you approve this beautiful new 03:44:10.571 --> 03:44:12.571 building with the minor 03:44:12.604 --> 03:44:15.108 amendments that jim has outlined, and happy to answer 03:44:15.108 --> 03:44:17.811 any questions. >> Mr. Smedberg. 03:44:18.430 --> 03:44:20.430 >> Mr. Mayor, I will go ahead 03:44:20.790 --> 03:44:22.790 and put a motion on the table. 03:44:23.885 --> 03:44:25.885 We close the public hearing, and 03:44:26.920 --> 03:44:28.920 accept the planning commission 03:44:29.220 --> 03:44:31.220 recommendation subject to the 03:44:31.286 --> 03:44:33.286 proffer and all the applicable 03:44:39.265 --> 03:44:41.265 codes and ordinances and staff 03:44:43.735 --> 03:44:45.735 recommendations with the permits 03:44:47.340 --> 03:44:49.340 and site plan to construct a 03:44:49.269 --> 03:44:51.673 boat club building, special use permit for the modification of 03:44:54.476 --> 03:44:56.645 the minimum set-backs, and modifications to the minimum 03:44:58.685 --> 03:45:00.685 side yard setback, and 03:45:00.745 --> 03:45:02.745 modification to the minimum open 03:45:03.786 --> 03:45:06.554 space required, and modification to the minimum crown covered to 03:45:06.557 --> 03:45:08.557 be provided. 03:45:09.155 --> 03:45:11.155 Modification to the screening of 03:45:11.999 --> 03:45:14.395 on-site parking. Modification to the vision 03:45:15.732 --> 03:45:18.630 clearance and lastly the encroachment of structures in 03:45:19.166 --> 03:45:21.166 the public right-of-way. 03:45:22.170 --> 03:45:23.505 >> motion and second by Mrs. Pepper. 03:45:24.441 --> 03:45:26.441 And certainly unanimous by 03:45:26.746 --> 03:45:28.746 members of city council I think. 03:45:28.813 --> 03:45:31.800 >> it needs to be subject to the amended conditions 26. 03:45:31.800 --> 03:45:33.800 >> that's right. 03:45:33.780 --> 03:45:35.780 >> so that will be taken and 03:45:37.117 --> 03:45:38.717 noted as a part of the motion as well. 03:45:40.550 --> 03:45:42.753 Mr. Wilson and then Mr. Lovain. >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. 03:45:45.125 --> 03:45:46.858 I got to do something here real quick. 03:45:48.901 --> 03:45:49.997 Madam Any speakers on this item? 03:45:51.564 --> 03:45:53.564 Okay, I want to note that we are 03:45:54.570 --> 03:45:56.836 approving the first development project of the waterfront plan. 03:45:58.769 --> 03:46:01.639 And we had more speakers today about a waterfront development 03:46:01.975 --> 03:46:04.344 project that we are not considering today than the one 03:46:04.611 --> 03:46:05.945 that we are actually considering. 03:46:07.381 --> 03:46:09.381 And I think that's amazing. 03:46:10.616 --> 03:46:12.616 And I think it's a testament to 03:46:14.720 --> 03:46:16.720 the hard work on behalf of the 03:46:16.890 --> 03:46:19.155 boat club design committee and staff and everyone that has been 03:46:20.523 --> 03:46:23.423 involved in all phases to get to this point. 03:46:23.530 --> 03:46:25.196 It wasn't always extremely smooth, for sure. 03:46:26.630 --> 03:46:28.630 But I think we are in a good 03:46:28.765 --> 03:46:30.332 place, I think this is a great-looking building. 03:46:30.971 --> 03:46:33.938 And this does provide a place for the boat club on our 03:46:34.338 --> 03:46:35.774 waterfront for generations to come. 03:46:37.140 --> 03:46:39.443 And I think it's something that we will proud of. 03:46:40.779 --> 03:46:42.779 And so thank you, Mr. Mayor. 03:46:44.143 --> 03:46:46.143 >> Mr. Lovain, and silberberg. 03:46:46.484 --> 03:46:48.117 >> thank you, I want to join in congratulating everyone for 03:46:49.221 --> 03:46:51.221 their work on this project. 03:46:51.820 --> 03:46:53.820 It's a beautiful building, and 03:46:55.223 --> 03:46:57.223 obviously the project of a lot 03:46:57.393 --> 03:46:59.393 of research and negotiation and 03:46:59.629 --> 03:47:01.629 creative thinking. 03:47:02.430 --> 03:47:04.533 And compromise and it's an extraordinary outcome. 03:47:05.537 --> 03:47:07.537 My question occurs to me when I 03:47:08.272 --> 03:47:10.272 see this render about the stub 03:47:11.377 --> 03:47:13.377 of prince street. 03:47:16.712 --> 03:47:19.145 I believe that staff report speaks of prince street gardens 03:47:19.145 --> 03:47:21.950 and not there yet. And this shows the vehicular 03:47:22.685 --> 03:47:24.685 traffic in this place. 03:47:25.210 --> 03:47:27.210 Remind us what we might be 03:47:27.388 --> 03:47:29.388 seeing at prince street gardens 03:47:30.359 --> 03:47:33.296 eventually here at the stub of prince. >> the landscape architecture 03:47:34.229 --> 03:47:36.527 plan that council approved last summer as a result of the owen 03:47:37.762 --> 03:47:40.434 work with the community over the previous year. 03:47:43.538 --> 03:47:46.306 Envisions street and gardens throughout the waterfront. 03:47:46.335 --> 03:47:49.100 And prince street is one of those areas where a garden of 03:47:50.141 --> 03:47:52.141 some kind will be placed. 03:47:53.279 --> 03:47:55.279 The idea is that these gardens 03:47:55.349 --> 03:47:57.349 would be distinctive and will be 03:47:58.353 --> 03:47:59.586 designed individually in the future. 03:48:00.855 --> 03:48:03.540 They aren't necessarily part of the first phase. 03:48:04.591 --> 03:48:06.591 Which as the council adopted 03:48:07.457 --> 03:48:09.925 previously this year, focusing on the promenade. 03:48:10.930 --> 03:48:12.930 but an important part of what 03:48:13.599 --> 03:48:15.599 the future waterfront will have. 03:48:16.990 --> 03:48:18.469 >> in the interim this will be a public street with vehicles and parking. 03:48:18.469 --> 03:48:20.469 >> yes. 03:48:22.310 --> 03:48:24.310 >> and eventually a garden with 03:48:24.340 --> 03:48:27.176 pervious surface and no vehicle traffic, is that the concept 03:48:28.820 --> 03:48:30.820 with these gardens? 03:48:30.350 --> 03:48:32.350 >> there is a balance of surface 03:48:34.951 --> 03:48:36.387 and planted areas in each of the gardens. 03:48:37.287 --> 03:48:39.287 And some are strategic designed 03:48:40.252 --> 03:48:42.252 in the concept of owen plan. 03:48:43.255 --> 03:48:45.255 Where there was needed public 03:48:45.561 --> 03:48:47.366 safety access, and impervious planters aspected. 03:48:49.934 --> 03:48:51.934 Those will be worked out. 03:48:54.380 --> 03:48:56.380 But generally and those will be 03:48:58.390 --> 03:49:00.390 designed but some with 03:49:00.775 --> 03:49:03.450 impervious planters. >> and access for emergency 03:49:03.450 --> 03:49:05.112 vehicles. >> yes. >> Mrs. Silberberg. 03:49:06.251 --> 03:49:08.214 >> thank you, I spoke with Mrs. Gibbs yesterday morning, and 03:49:08.352 --> 03:49:10.555 thank you for taking the time for that call. 03:49:11.686 --> 03:49:14.356 I want to also applaud the architecture and the design team 03:49:17.360 --> 03:49:18.560 and the thought that went in to this. 03:49:22.867 --> 03:49:24.867 That I think the choices of 03:49:25.632 --> 03:49:28.366 material, the fact that it is appropriate and it fits in with 03:49:30.771 --> 03:49:32.240 some of the choices of old town itself. 03:49:34.750 --> 03:49:36.750 You have a drawing on slide no. 03:49:36.676 --> 03:49:38.676 10, where you have a picture of 03:49:39.712 --> 03:49:41.712 the choices of a door way and a 03:49:42.414 --> 03:49:44.414 window, and it just all -- those 03:49:45.521 --> 03:49:47.521 individual choices show a lot of thought and consideration 03:49:48.520 --> 03:49:50.520 towards the historic district. 03:49:52.558 --> 03:49:54.892 And for that alone I am truly grateful. 03:49:56.629 --> 03:49:59.132 And thes colors that you chose 03:50:00.732 --> 03:50:03.134 and the beige and green and the various choices. 03:50:04.936 --> 03:50:06.936 I was curious about one, and I 03:50:07.710 --> 03:50:09.710 love the fact that it's similar 03:50:09.277 --> 03:50:10.608 to how the boat club currently is. 03:50:13.546 --> 03:50:14.881 In terms of that wrap-around glass. 03:50:18.117 --> 03:50:20.354 I mean -- I haven't studied architecture per se in a 03:50:21.448 --> 03:50:23.448 college, but I studied it 03:50:23.622 --> 03:50:25.622 because I love architecture. 03:50:27.359 --> 03:50:29.359 And I appreciate the choice that 03:50:31.160 --> 03:50:32.597 is you and the design team went into. 03:50:33.928 --> 03:50:36.799 But the choice that faces union street -- >> sorry. 03:50:36.902 --> 03:50:38.902 >> the strand. 03:50:40.302 --> 03:50:42.302 >> the strand, sorry, that faces 03:50:43.605 --> 03:50:45.605 the strand is where the emblem 03:50:46.508 --> 03:50:48.508 is and the oars. 03:50:49.811 --> 03:50:51.811 I like the idea of oars, rowing 03:50:51.949 --> 03:50:53.949 family and all. 03:50:53.951 --> 03:50:55.951 But is it -- it's just, you 03:50:56.648 --> 03:50:58.655 didn't want to use, I am curious you didn't want people facing 03:50:58.655 --> 03:51:00.655 out? 03:51:01.254 --> 03:51:03.887 >> it has to do the function the building behind the structure 03:51:06.600 --> 03:51:08.564 and there is a lot of offices that are up on the second floor 03:51:09.665 --> 03:51:11.665 and on the third floor is 03:51:12.330 --> 03:51:14.330 actually where the kitchen is -- 03:51:14.765 --> 03:51:16.204 the bathrooms and the kitchen are. 03:51:18.805 --> 03:51:20.805 You have a limited amount of 03:51:23.879 --> 03:51:25.879 windows to maintain the privacy, 03:51:26.514 --> 03:51:28.514 so it's a function of the 03:51:33.188 --> 03:51:35.188 building behind if -- it. 03:51:35.857 --> 03:51:38.123 >> okay and the size of the emblem, I guess with the bar we 03:51:38.757 --> 03:51:40.757 will be looking at that. 03:51:42.395 --> 03:51:44.428 And one more thing -- hang on a second. 03:51:47.350 --> 03:51:49.350 I love the idea about the 03:51:49.567 --> 03:51:50.835 permeable paving that we discussed. 03:51:53.275 --> 03:51:55.342 And hope that the color of -- it's going to be important the 03:51:55.674 --> 03:51:57.674 color of that plaza. 03:52:00.440 --> 03:52:02.440 So I hope that we include the 03:52:03.417 --> 03:52:05.417 architect in that decision even 03:52:06.280 --> 03:52:09.185 though, and also your decisions and input in regard to the 03:52:09.789 --> 03:52:11.557 prince street garden I think would be helpful. 03:52:12.600 --> 03:52:14.600 Given what you have shown here. 03:52:14.757 --> 03:52:16.893 And I am glad that the various last-minute details could be 03:52:16.893 --> 03:52:19.361 worked out. I applaud y'all and staff for 03:52:22.436 --> 03:52:24.436 that. 03:52:25.599 --> 03:52:27.672 And you know this did take a long time. 03:52:29.474 --> 03:52:31.474 The mayor has referred to that. 03:52:32.874 --> 03:52:34.978 And we come to resolution today and I think that's an important 03:52:34.978 --> 03:52:36.978 step forward. 03:52:38.246 --> 03:52:40.246 And we need to look forward to 03:52:40.251 --> 03:52:42.251 the future. 03:52:43.318 --> 03:52:46.240 But in the future, I think that we also have to think about how 03:52:47.121 --> 03:52:49.121 we get to resolution. 03:52:50.257 --> 03:52:52.664 And that we need to be very careful as a community. 03:52:52.827 --> 03:52:54.827 And come together and have 03:52:56.561 --> 03:52:58.561 conversation and dialogue and 03:52:58.998 --> 03:53:00.868 understanding and respect property rights. 03:53:03.308 --> 03:53:05.308 So how we get to resolution 03:53:06.740 --> 03:53:07.378 today is a good day for the city. 03:53:08.910 --> 03:53:10.910 But we have to also remind 03:53:12.215 --> 03:53:14.215 ourselves that it's important to 03:53:14.417 --> 03:53:16.417 look at the means. 03:53:18.353 --> 03:53:20.353 So it's good to have resolution. 03:53:21.553 --> 03:53:24.521 But we also want to have good feeling. And it seems like we are 03:53:24.896 --> 03:53:26.610 building on that good feeling now. 03:53:27.593 --> 03:53:29.593 And building on that trust. 03:53:30.699 --> 03:53:32.330 But for a while there there wasn't. 03:53:34.669 --> 03:53:36.669 And I think that was sort of a 03:53:37.737 --> 03:53:39.737 sad moment. 03:53:41.207 --> 03:53:43.207 Just discussing frankly the 03:53:45.513 --> 03:53:47.847 eminent domain question was unfortunate. and we discussed that. 03:53:48.616 --> 03:53:50.616 But today is a good day to move 03:53:51.151 --> 03:53:52.912 forward and look forward to this ribbon cutting. 03:53:53.351 --> 03:53:55.990 And to toasting it. And I certainly look forward to 03:53:56.788 --> 03:53:58.788 being there for that. 03:53:59.656 --> 03:54:01.656 >> thank you. 03:54:02.663 --> 03:54:04.663 I will have to comment that we 03:54:06.730 --> 03:54:08.730 will have an opportunity vice 03:54:10.735 --> 03:54:12.735 mayor to debate and discuss the 03:54:12.836 --> 03:54:14.836 application or non-application 03:54:15.236 --> 03:54:17.236 of eminent domain moving forward 03:54:17.676 --> 03:54:19.778 in the future, you and I in a different environment. 03:54:21.314 --> 03:54:23.314 But certainly the members of the 03:54:24.718 --> 03:54:26.718 boat club will readily agree and 03:54:27.819 --> 03:54:29.819 concur that the eminent domain 03:54:30.210 --> 03:54:32.210 was not used for this project. 03:54:32.553 --> 03:54:34.553 It's a tool, it's a vehicle that 03:54:36.227 --> 03:54:38.730 local governments have the right to utilize. 03:54:41.193 --> 03:54:42.834 As part of their land-use processes. 03:54:45.632 --> 03:54:47.632 And you know even though for 03:54:48.500 --> 03:54:50.500 more than 10 years the boat club 03:54:50.338 --> 03:54:52.338 members were fully cognizant of 03:54:52.543 --> 03:54:55.513 the fact that the city had the right to use eminent domain. 03:54:55.943 --> 03:54:57.943 It was not used. 03:54:58.248 --> 03:55:00.248 There May have been something 03:55:01.715 --> 03:55:03.715 that they felt uncomfortable about. 03:55:05.654 --> 03:55:07.654 But the mere fact is that I made 03:55:08.454 --> 03:55:10.454 a promise to the members of the 03:55:10.523 --> 03:55:13.296 boat club, as long as we were faithfully and honestly 03:55:16.980 --> 03:55:17.831 negotiating and getting close to a settlement. 03:55:20.102 --> 03:55:22.102 As long as I was mayor, we would 03:55:23.305 --> 03:55:26.700 not use eminent domain. And it was a point that we got 03:55:28.141 --> 03:55:29.775 close to there and the goal post would shift. 03:55:31.109 --> 03:55:33.109 And as we were close to 03:55:34.681 --> 03:55:36.681 approving the entire waterfront 03:55:37.840 --> 03:55:39.686 plan itself, I had to strategically change my 03:55:41.724 --> 03:55:43.724 position, and say in 03:55:43.923 --> 03:55:45.923 order to continue to negotiate 03:55:46.893 --> 03:55:48.893 and reach a settlement here. 03:55:49.930 --> 03:55:52.665 I could no longer jeopardize the rest of this council and 03:55:54.000 --> 03:55:56.000 citizens by saying I wouldn't 03:55:56.290 --> 03:55:58.290 use eminent domain. 03:55:58.369 --> 03:56:00.369 But thankfully it was not used, 03:56:01.390 --> 03:56:03.390 and faithfully bodies from the 03:56:04.709 --> 03:56:06.709 city, collective bodies from the 03:56:09.312 --> 03:56:11.712 city and the old dominion boat club and community participation 03:56:13.747 --> 03:56:15.953 got u where we are. Mr. Wilson -- 03:56:15.953 --> 03:56:18.122 >> what. >> Mr. Chapman. 03:56:18.455 --> 03:56:20.455 >> sorry. 03:56:21.591 --> 03:56:24.360 >> johnny wilson. >> chapman. 03:56:26.499 --> 03:56:28.499 >> I am not running for mayor. 03:56:29.568 --> 03:56:31.568 I will say 03:56:31.702 --> 03:56:33.305 this, this is a beautiful building. 03:56:36.542 --> 03:56:38.542 It really takes up the level of 03:56:39.408 --> 03:56:41.408 your club, in my opinion. 03:56:41.706 --> 03:56:44.412 And I think it will leave a wonderful legacy for what you 03:56:45.348 --> 03:56:47.348 guys have accomplished. 03:56:49.251 --> 03:56:51.251 I am very excited to see, I love 03:56:51.757 --> 03:56:54.880 roof-top terraces, so putting that on and taking full 03:56:55.590 --> 03:56:57.556 advantage of what the view is for the waterfront and to be 03:56:58.528 --> 03:57:00.528 able to see that and everything 03:57:00.797 --> 03:57:03.427 that is coming down to the waterfront I think is tremendous. 03:57:04.667 --> 03:57:06.667 And this is great. 03:57:07.570 --> 03:57:10.660 It's good to hear about the permeable paving as well. 03:57:12.810 --> 03:57:14.473 That way we have a little bit of environmental-friendly design in 03:57:14.875 --> 03:57:16.875 it as well. 03:57:17.507 --> 03:57:20.248 But this is a beautiful building. You guys are definitely to be 03:57:22.948 --> 03:57:25.484 commended for this, thank you. >> smedberg. 03:57:25.820 --> 03:57:27.820 >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. 03:57:29.292 --> 03:57:31.292 I just want to say thank you to 03:57:32.594 --> 03:57:34.361 everyone. I have been on the waterfront 03:57:35.980 --> 03:57:37.980 commission for a number of 03:57:37.195 --> 03:57:39.195 years, and with mary catherine 03:57:40.632 --> 03:57:42.632 and joann and jim, with all of 03:57:42.767 --> 03:57:45.437 your work getting us to this stage. And all the community did once 03:57:46.371 --> 03:57:48.407 we were moving forward with it. And it was significant. 03:57:49.241 --> 03:57:51.450 And steve from the waterfront commission the work that you 03:57:51.508 --> 03:57:53.277 personally and others have put into this. 03:57:55.746 --> 03:57:57.746 I wanted to acknowledge that. 03:57:59.183 --> 03:58:01.183 I don't particularly like this 03:58:01.753 --> 03:58:03.753 phrase, but I think it's a 03:58:04.189 --> 03:58:06.189 win/win, not only for the club 03:58:06.357 --> 03:58:08.357 but the community and for the 03:58:09.125 --> 03:58:11.125 future waterfront. 03:58:12.364 --> 03:58:14.364 As you stated the historical 03:58:15.698 --> 03:58:17.737 significance and presence of the boat club and contribution to 03:58:18.568 --> 03:58:20.805 the community, that will help cement that further. 03:58:21.876 --> 03:58:23.876 This is a real win for all of us 03:58:24.572 --> 03:58:26.712 and you guys doing all you did. Thank you to everyone for 03:58:27.177 --> 03:58:29.177 getting us to this stage. 03:58:29.414 --> 03:58:31.414 And it's an important milestone 03:58:33.779 --> 03:58:36.553 now, we can focus on things that really have true meaning and 03:58:37.986 --> 03:58:39.923 true impact to have an open, accessible waterfront, thank you 03:58:40.357 --> 03:58:42.357 for all you have done. 03:58:43.620 --> 03:58:45.620 >> Mrs. Pepper. 03:58:46.950 --> 03:58:48.261 >> a win/win situation. And I think that as we look back 03:58:49.931 --> 03:58:51.931 on it, we will be very, very 03:58:52.569 --> 03:58:54.136 glad that we were able to get this far. 03:58:54.901 --> 03:58:56.901 There are many features about 03:58:59.675 --> 03:59:01.675 this design that I like a lot. 03:59:03.444 --> 03:59:05.444 I think that the various views 03:59:06.315 --> 03:59:08.315 that old dominion boat club 03:59:08.651 --> 03:59:10.552 members will enjoy will be really exciting. 03:59:12.616 --> 03:59:14.616 And it's worked so well for 03:59:14.889 --> 03:59:17.910 everyone and it does mean a brand-new building and I am sure 03:59:18.240 --> 03:59:20.240 that's a relief for all. 03:59:20.529 --> 03:59:23.459 anyway, we are going to look forward to having this built and 03:59:25.200 --> 03:59:26.431 the ribbon cutting, is that your point. 03:59:28.237 --> 03:59:30.237 The ribbon cutting. 03:59:30.538 --> 03:59:32.538 And I know that there will be a 03:59:33.407 --> 03:59:35.407 big celebration. 03:59:36.608 --> 03:59:38.608 And this really is the first 03:59:38.976 --> 03:59:40.977 major step in terms of implementing something right 03:59:42.578 --> 03:59:44.578 there on the waterfront. 03:59:44.620 --> 03:59:46.620 Five cheers. 03:59:46.817 --> 03:59:48.817 >> and I want to make mention 03:59:50.220 --> 03:59:52.220 while this is a private 03:59:52.924 --> 03:59:54.924 organization, their facility, 03:59:55.930 --> 03:59:57.930 but I think I am characterizing 03:59:58.590 --> 04:00:00.729 this correctly, but that the facility will be at some point 04:00:01.129 --> 04:00:03.129 when they decide what they want 04:00:05.436 --> 04:00:07.436 to do at the ground level terms 04:00:09.675 --> 04:00:11.675 of retail space or museum or 04:00:15.790 --> 04:00:16.814 something, it will then be accessible and available to 04:00:17.311 --> 04:00:19.311 public use as well. 04:00:20.687 --> 04:00:23.588 >> on the strand street side on the facade of strand street, 04:00:26.792 --> 04:00:28.792 there are windows with 04:00:29.591 --> 04:00:31.894 historical design in there, the history of the waterfront, 04:00:33.131 --> 04:00:35.461 that's where it would be located. >> enough has been said, and 04:00:35.468 --> 04:00:37.202 hopefully this it will be unanimously supported. 04:00:39.669 --> 04:00:41.669 With that we have a motion on 04:00:42.705 --> 04:00:44.737 thend second. All in favor. >> aye. 04:00:45.243 --> 04:00:47.243 >> no? 04:00:47.438 --> 04:00:50.172 Unanimous at 7-0. Thank you. 04:00:50.647 --> 04:00:52.949 >> Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor. 04:00:52.949 --> 04:00:54.949 >> mark. 04:00:55.411 --> 04:00:57.618 >> yes, I would like to before everyone leaves. 04:00:58.500 --> 04:01:00.500 This has been a long process as 04:01:00.756 --> 04:01:02.756 many of you said. 04:01:03.556 --> 04:01:06.491 Over a decade ago this room was filled with people concerned and 04:01:07.231 --> 04:01:09.231 wearing these buttons. 04:01:11.434 --> 04:01:13.434 And we were able to achieve 04:01:15.700 --> 04:01:17.700 keeping odbc where we started. 04:01:18.710 --> 04:01:20.710 And in particular the 04:01:20.574 --> 04:01:23.370 negotiations put forward a real straightforward, what you see is what you get. 04:01:25.380 --> 04:01:26.680 And we worked all of our details through. 04:01:27.744 --> 04:01:29.744 That then left it for mary 04:01:30.579 --> 04:01:33.486 catherine and joann anderson to say going from a general term 04:01:34.480 --> 04:01:36.480 sheet to probably putting 04:01:36.286 --> 04:01:38.553 together the most complicated real estate transaction the city 04:01:39.224 --> 04:01:41.224 has done in the last decade. 04:01:41.395 --> 04:01:44.125 So our hats are off to them. And we look forward now to 04:01:45.263 --> 04:01:47.501 getting the building permits and the final site plan done. 04:01:48.764 --> 04:01:50.764 And cutting that ribbon. 04:01:51.335 --> 04:01:53.839 >> Mr. Mayor, hats off to mark for the work he did. 04:01:54.204 --> 04:01:56.404 And our city attorney and for those of you who negotiated with 04:01:56.404 --> 04:01:57.707 them. Thank you. 04:01:58.975 --> 04:02:00.975 >> Mr. Mayor, if I could. 04:02:03.209 --> 04:02:05.209 And the speed with which, I 04:02:06.120 --> 04:02:08.120 mentioned this to Mrs. Gibbs 04:02:08.470 --> 04:02:10.470 yesterday morning, amazing how 04:02:10.552 --> 04:02:13.420 quickly from idea to concept to architectural plans and pictures and everything. 04:02:14.758 --> 04:02:16.829 And you were working things out with our staff. 04:02:17.862 --> 04:02:19.129 The speed with which this happened. 04:02:20.628 --> 04:02:22.666 And that the quality of the work is so outstanding. 04:02:23.597 --> 04:02:25.128 So -- applause. >> thank you. 04:02:27.835 --> 04:02:30.536 That now takes us to no. 13. >> public hearing and second 04:02:32.107 --> 04:02:34.107 reading and final passage of an 04:02:35.148 --> 04:02:37.148 ordinance to amend city code 04:02:40.150 --> 04:02:42.845 section code 10-4-13 by deleting subsection "a" which prohibits 04:02:43.820 --> 04:02:45.820 the display of vehicling for 04:02:46.587 --> 04:02:47.921 sale within the public right-of-way. 04:02:49.210 --> 04:02:51.210 >> no speakers. 04:02:51.960 --> 04:02:54.227 >> move that we close the public hearing and adopt the ordinance. 04:02:54.664 --> 04:02:56.664 >> second. 04:02:57.198 --> 04:02:59.198 >> call the roll. 04:03:05.674 --> 04:03:07.674 [Calling roll] 04:03:07.976 --> 04:03:10.575 >> unanimously passed 7-0. Thank you, 14. 04:03:11.614 --> 04:03:13.614 >> public hearing second read 04:03:13.644 --> 04:03:16.182 and final passage of an ordinance authorizing and 04:03:17.647 --> 04:03:19.647 empowering the issuance and sale 04:03:20.350 --> 04:03:22.885 of delivery of general obligation bonds to finance 04:03:23.453 --> 04:03:25.453 various capital projects. 04:03:28.122 --> 04:03:30.122 >> Mr. Mayor, seeing no public 04:03:30.427 --> 04:03:32.800 speakers I move that we close the hearing and adopt the 04:03:32.800 --> 04:03:34.634 ordinance. >> second. 04:03:35.200 --> 04:03:37.200 >> call the roll. 04:03:40.971 --> 04:03:42.971 [Calling roll] 04:03:44.305 --> 04:03:46.942 Motion carries 7-0, unanimous. 15. >> public hearing second reading 04:03:48.344 --> 04:03:50.344 and final passage of an 04:03:51.244 --> 04:03:53.244 ordinance to replace saint james 04:03:54.549 --> 04:03:56.549 church with the hermitage 04:03:56.754 --> 04:03:58.754 polling place and add the 04:03:59.354 --> 04:04:01.354 charles houston center as a new 04:04:01.458 --> 04:04:04.262 polling place and associated changes in the center and fire 04:04:05.629 --> 04:04:07.629 department boundaries. 04:04:08.530 --> 04:04:10.600 >> we have a speaker signed up but she's not present. 04:04:11.669 --> 04:04:13.674 So we have no speakers. Mr. Smedberg. 04:04:14.740 --> 04:04:16.675 >> I know that several of us have multiple questions. 04:04:18.306 --> 04:04:20.306 >> yeah, we need the registrar. 04:04:20.975 --> 04:04:22.975 >> no, if no public speakers, I 04:04:23.879 --> 04:04:25.879 move that we close the public 04:04:25.913 --> 04:04:27.985 hearing and adopt the recommendation put forward. 04:04:28.515 --> 04:04:30.515 >> second. 04:04:30.923 --> 04:04:32.923 >> motion and second to close 04:04:33.286 --> 04:04:35.757 the public hearing and move the recommendation, this is an 04:04:36.722 --> 04:04:38.722 ordinance, call the roll. 04:04:45.498 --> 04:04:47.498 [Calling roll] 04:04:48.601 --> 04:04:50.601 7-0,unanimous. 04:04:50.940 --> 04:04:53.710 And note def of docket item, 16. 04:04:56.640 --> 04:04:58.911 With that, that is our agenda. >> motion to adjourn. 04:04:58.911 --> 04:05:00.911 >> second.